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It may not have been anything you did or didn't do. As you said, roses do not like to be inside. Try putting a saucer of water next to them, not under them, to raise the humidity around them. And get some additional light. And fluorescent lamp will do. Don't fertilize them any more now until the start to leaf out again. No guarantee on any of this but it could help.
If you get more like this next season try sinking the pots into the soil for the winter. They may do better just going dormant outside.
Check with K&M Nursery's web site. He carries several climbers that are grafted onto fortuniana rootstock that should grow well in zone 8. I think he still carries "Fourth of July". Don Jaun is also a GREAT climber on fortuniana rootstock.
Heirloom has Fourth of July on its own root available and they are having a sale right now.
Has anyone grown either Shadow Dancer or Soaring Spirits? How do they do in heat? How is the rebloom. They both are so pretty, I can't decide between the two.
Believe it or not, I'm not a member of Facebook, but I used your link and saw your stunning photos of Ascot. What a gorgeous, healthy looking rose. I wish my photographer (granddaughter) could get that deep red on her photos. It's been difficult to get, but you nailed it. Clare's photos are wonderful so I'm not complaining. Red has just been the hardest color to photograph accurately.
Anyway, beautiful photos and of SDLM, too. Diane
Diane, you're so right -- red is a bear to capture. Our facebook pictures of Ascot luckily nailed its rich, saturated blue-red. But for another lovely and even deeper burgundy, Tradescant, the color in my photos isn't even close. Too bad -- that color is amazing.
I want to thank you for inspiring me to consider Ascot. It really has one of the most beautiful blooms I've ever seen, and will be a rose well worth keeping once we get it blooming the way yours does.
Thanks, iris gal. No, they are about the same height as the fence (nine feet). It varies from year to year, depending on how much I prune and other factors. They really got whacked last year.
It's very dry here, so I don't know how they would perform in a hot, humid zone. I wouldn't recommend Brother Cadfael--he does a lot of balling when it get very hot. I think it's important for his blooms to open before the real heat sets in. Jude blooms more, and the blooms open better in our weather. Both roses have wonderful scent. Diane
Sorry for the delay in replying but I just came back to the post. I checked the box to have the replies sent to me but they never arrived.
Here is a list of legal roses that I will have cuttings to trade:
Old Garden Roses
Aimee Vibert Scandens (1828)Climber 9-15ft.; White Noisette; Repeats; Musk fragrance
Duchesse de Brabant (1857)Tea; Lt. Pink Cupped Double; Repeats; Strong Tea fragrance
Felicite et Perpetue (1827)Rambler 15-20ft.; White/Pink; Blooms once; Mild fragrance
Hybrid Tea & Others
Bewitched (1967) Hybrid Tea, Bright Pink, Damask fragrance
Brandy (1982) Hybrid Tea, Apricot, Mild Sweet Tea fragrance
Brass Band (1993) Floribunda; Tree, Apricot Orange, Mild Damask fragrance
Double Delight (1977) Hybrid Tea, Dk. Pink/Cream, Strong Spicy fragrance
French Lace (1982) Floribunda, Pinkish White, Mild Spicy fragrance
Heirloom (1972) Hybrid Tea, Lilac, Strong fragrance
JFK (1965) Hybrid Tea, White, Strong fragrance
Joseph's coat (1969) Floribunda Climber, Red/Orange blend Moderate, fruity fragrance
Mister Lincoln (1964) Hybrid Tea, Deep Red, Strong fragrance
Oranges & Lemons (1994) Floribunda Hybrid Tea, Orange & orange blend striped blooms; Mild fragrance
Paradise (1978)Hybrid Tea, Purple & Pink bi-color, Strong Rose fragrance
Snowfire (1970) Hybrid Tea, White reverse, red top, Mild fragrance - FEW CUTTINGS
Sterling Silver (1957) Hybrid Tea, Lilac, Strong Citrus Sweet fragrance -FEW CUTTINGS
Sundowner (1978) Apricot, Grandiflora, Strong fragrance
Tropicana (1960) Hybrid Tea, Coral Orange, Strong Fruity fragrance
Got the information from HMF. Anyone interested?
Clare
Haha--we don't take pics of "regular roses" around here, and if a mistake is made and we do, those pics go in a buried vault, never to see the light of day. I'll dig up one to show you.
I use all kinds of fertilizer. My favorite are the "Tones"--Rose Tone, Plant Tone, etc, whatever I can get my hands on in a 36 pound bag and for the cheapest price. I use manure and compost in combination, too, and cheap granular fertilizer (just once a year on that type). Thinking of eliminating it. Let's see if I can find a "regular" rose pic. Diane
I always go to that rose garden for Mother's Day or around that time. It is so incredible when they are all in bloom. How does someone volunteer to help prune? I am in Aptos by the coast but could drive over to San Jose. What happens to all those cuttings?
Clare
Congratulations, and that's an intriguing way of coaching new volunteers not to prune the roses too low. The wooden stakes are probably reusable year after year, and they help avoid people's poor estimates of about "three feet" or whatever the pruning target might be.
I suppose there's unlikely to be anything blooming by the end of January is there, even in San Jose? I'll be there for work at the end of January/first of February and I'd love to see the gardens, but I fear they'd still be in down times. Well done regardless on a truly daunting task.
Cynthia
OK, I admit to being so rose-o-centric that I saw this title thinking these were names of roses, and I clicked on it with great excitement wondering what color "Steel Arbour" was going to be. That elusive grey-beige color, but deeper? At first glance it sounded better than a rose called Vinyl Arbour would be, though I could see it passing as a creamy beige. It sounds like you're getting some nice advice and steel wins the picture as well for ACTUAL arbors. If you ever decide to hybridize a Steel Arbor, however, do let us know.
Cynthia
Well Cynthia, if I should ever hybridize any rose, I will name it after you...lol.
Again, thank you all for your input. Much appreciated.
I thought you guys should know that I came across an article whose author said that avoid aluminum and iron arbours because they will rust. Steel arbour is the way to go. Having said that evidently the current vinyl arbour sold by Home depot and Lowes is supposed to be very "weather resistant". Either way, both has pros and cons, it comes to a matter of personal preference.
I think you are talking about the BBC show"The Great British Garden Revival." IT had segments on many types of gardens. It is having a second season at the moment and the first episode of the second series is on roses, same presenter, this time more emphasis on old roses.
I love British gardening shows, they are so much better than anything in USA at the moment. If you subscribe to Garden World youtube site, you will have a huge variety to choose from.
Patience is a virtue. I have had climbing roses which did not bloom at all or a lot for their first 4 Springs, then exploded in bloom the next year, and every year thereafter. Some climbing roses just do not think about blooming until they think they have achieved the correct height - go figure. How tall is it? HMF says it gets up to 12 feet, but their numbers are usually way low for warm climates, so perhaps it wants to be taller - the rose will decide (if you give it a chance).
I think feeding it is a good idea - in your climate, I might even feed it now, but be sure to follow the directions so that you do not burn it. Then you need to WAIT. It would be a shame if you shovel prune it in March, having wasted 3 years, when you only had to wait one more...
Assuming it is getting enough sun and water, you will eventually be rewarded with bloom, and it will be worth it!
Jackie
Yeah, I agree with Jackie -- go ahead and feed it.
It may just be that it's not going to bloom much until it gets to be as big as it wants to be. But I've also had very tall Shrub Roses that just NEVER produced much bloom, here at the coast, because they stubbornly require a bit more cold than we can offer them.
Jeri
Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal
The two are SO different!
Hermosa was a good rose in my conditions, but I didn't get as much bloom as I'd have liked, from it -- not as much bloom, say, as a "pure" China. But it's a GREAT rose, and a long-lived one. We find it everywhere, in old cemeteries.
Snowbird, now -- what a survivor that is!
There's an old house in the San Fernando Valley with a row of decades-neglected Snowbirds. This was one of the top show roses of the 30's-40's, and man, you can see why. It'll bloom its heart out, and has no disease in Southern California.
That one in the Valley was collected as "Louise Ave. White HT," and it now grows in the Sacramento City Cemetery. They're going to offer it at Open Garden, in April. I might even buy another one, myself.
I agree with your sentiments. My roses are still putting out buds even though we had a few nights in the 30's. My brugs didn't do so well and some died back to the ground. Also happened to my Hawaiian White Ginger. I love my roses because I always get lots of blooms for all the work I do. Not true for other flowers I have grown.
Clare
I don't exactly have the tropical plant problems you have, but I agree about roses--they are mostly tough. Mine survive 100 degree days in the summers and winters with single digit temps, and I've never lost a one. For a tropical look up here, i grow hardy hibiscus, and I love them. Diane
It's not the problem of virus living in the soil so much as leaving roots behind after a dig out.
The virus can live in the roots that might be left behind.
Root to root transmission of viruses in rose bushes has been proved by Giolino and others (and it's published in refereed journals). It hasn't been proved to happen for RRD infected roses, yet. But I have seen that infected roots of very large roses can put up RRD infected roses several feet from the dug out bush, when we thought we had dug out all of the roots.
For a two or three year old rose, the root mass probably isn't going to be massive. But do leave a little time for the roots to come back. (See all the Dr. Huey that comes back when we've dug out what we thought were all the roots.
Ann, Dr. Whitcomb said that if there were roots left, they could not graft or spread the virus to the new plant. I'm just going by what he said. Of course you have to try to get all the roots and it may be a good idea to wait to see what comes up (especially if it's Dr. Huey rootstock).
BTW, I met some members of your society. Sorry you couldn't make it.
Mine likes to stay about 4-5ft tall. I didn't prune it much last season and it seemed to bloom better. I also noticed the blooms were a little bigger. Maybe it was just a fluke this yr. I dunno.
I have mine on a trellis. It was originally in a pot, but the root grew through the bottom into the ground. She REALLY wanted to live in the dirt!
I usually prune in late late winter and I'm not shy about cutting her back; she can take it. I try to keep her upright for maximum blooming.
Good luck with yours!