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Sounds good to me. Why don't you alternate Munstead Wood (dark purple/burgundy red) and Princess Anne (pink) or Boscobel (apricot pink)--they are all quite good on bs resistance and good on rebloom. And all about 3 x 2.

If you can hold out for an extra year, Austin's new Olivia Rose Austin may be available in America. She is a fantastic beauty. You can see her on the English David Austin site.

kate

What a beautiful fence! Roses will look wonderful growing there! David Austin's Harlow Carr is probably very winter hardy. Young David Austin favors it in his own yard.

I deeply sympathize but after gardening for 20 years in my present garden I am getting more thickskinned. I give a rose at least 4 years (I live in Sweden where the climate is harsh), often much more. But I have started culling non-performers and roses I don't much like sooner now. I still have enough space for roses but I am beginning to want other plants, too, more ornamental trees and shrubs, evergreens and large perennials. I hang on longest to roses from friends, it feels like a betrayal to get rid of them, however bad the plants. This New Dawn, an old clone, promises to be a keeper though. I got it and the little white rose in the background (a foundling, may be La Neige) from a friend.

It depends on the rose and the reason I wants it gone for me. If the plant is marked for removal due to excessive disease and such, then I just compost it because I can't see heaving a bad plant onto other people. Especially considering that I don't have any experienced rose folk around to give them to. Others that are good plants, but I want to remove them just to have space for something else, usually end up sitting around so long that I forget why I wanted to get rid of it and it stays. I'm lazy like that. If I happen to actually dig the plant up, I almost always pot it up...where it sits forever till I find a new place for it. :)

Some roses described as climbers are semi-shrubby with stiff, relatively upright canes. It is easier to bushify these types. Others make very long shoots that are nowhere near self-supporting.

To make a stand-up shrub, I let the new basal canes bloom out and then cut them back to 3-4 feet. The cane then produces 2 or 3 laterals that are cut back to a self-supporting length and then branch again. Every time I prune a lateral, I leave several bud sites to encourage branching. Once you get a lot of branches, the plant will produce fewer long basal canes.

The other option is to let it form a fountain shape as boncrow describes. Here you may need to allow for 10-12' width.

This post was edited by michaelg on Fri, Nov 21, 14 at 12:22

with the ten of thousands of roses available....

i would wonder why you would need to buy and try to make a climber ... into a bush ... other than for the sake of learning how to prune ..... you may come to truly understand the vigor of some of these climbers ...

sure.. anything can be pruned into whatever shape and form the pruner wants it to be.. think bonsai for the extreme ... pruning never killed anything ... itself ...

but i would step back... and try to find one.. that grows in the shape and form i wanted... rather than sign myself up for a lifetime of pruning ...

on the other hand .... i truly do understand.. that often.. you gotta have .... what you want ...

ken

Right now, I don't have a UV set-up, so I could do anything. How long do you think it needs to be above freezing to plant a rose? There is a warm spell coming up, and it's not supposed to get below freezing for about a week. Too risky?

Please wait until March or you'll worry yourself to death all winter over that rose. If it were bareroot (dormant) you could certainly plant it now but its awfully late in the season to plant a potted rose. The best solution IMHO is to schlep it outside during warm spells and keep it in the basement during Jan, Feb and especially cold spells in Dec & March. Mad Gallica is a very experienced cold zone gardener (she over winters all sorts of things in her basement including heirloom peppers) so take her advice regarding light set ups. I've been buying special fluorescent tubes for years and apparently I don't really need them LOL.

^^ I have Compassion climbing rose and I was sure that was it! Never noticed that.

For sure my favorite are swirled cup-shaped roses like Eden rose.

From http://i-lostinausten.blogspot.com/2011/11/ma-vie-en-rose.html:

Bishop Darlington looks very interesting. Thanks for sharing JeriJen. I really like the informal non-fuss but relaxed look. I am beginning to realize that singles and semi-doubles give it a very relaxed feel compared to the highly formal hybrid teas.

Anna-Marie de Montravel has that spring fresh look and it would really nice at night too. I really like it. It would look good in front of a garden. I bet it would really shine under a summer moon sky. Thanks Linaria.

Thanks Sara-Ann for Tiffanny. I have seen this rose many times but never had the chance to buy one. I like this shade of pink in roses. It doesn't scream at you..lol.

I agree with you Laura, which is why I bought mine this past spring. I only saw it flower once though but it was really nice. I am crossing my finger that it doesn't die under this snow. I am thinking of getting the red eden if it is available in my area.

I had to cut a big shrub ownroot rose (Pierre Gagnaire) way back and then move it in temps like that last year. It took forever to bud out, but the canes were green. He just sat there, green, for at least a couple of months, well into warm weather. It was the weirdest thing, but I knew I didn't get a big rootball compared to his original size.

Anyway, he did great. He put out one or two new basals along with leafing out. He didn't get especially tall yet, but I'm sure he'll grow up great again.

I treated him like I would any transplanted rose while he was doing nothing. So he got normal water, etc. I felt like giving up on him, but I'm so glad I didn't!

ok well just sit tight for now and see what happens but they do make the garden look look a little sad it spots. Thanks for all your comments and will let you all know how they go. cheers

That would be a very interesting piece of information to find out about, Lynette. Remember, it was Hortico who "introduced" so many of his earlier roses in to North America, prior to obtaining any licensing from him and selling them to the US. That is why all those varieties were sold under their breeder's code names, such as AUSpat, AUStamora, etc. Once they've been introduced, there is a finite time in which to patent them and recoup any costs through royalties. Hortico jumped ahead of him by selling them so the only way he could benefit from their sales was to trademark their names so a retailer would have to pay to use those names. The roses could be sold under any other name you wanted, without paying any royalties, but if you used the trademarked names, you owed Austin royalties. I heard stories some years ago about a very "heated" face-to-face Mr. Austin reportedly had with the head of Hortico about that very subject. It would be QUITE interesting to know the back story whether Hortico's decision not to offer the newer types had anything to do with that issue, or if they simply chose not to offer the more expensive types as Pickering and others have. Kim

Yes old Hortico did get thrashed by Austin but that wouldn't slow them down. I suspect ( but do not know) that they may be budding Austins when they get them from other nurseries. The father (Jan) carried roses because he loved them and had many types, plus the unusual. I must be more appreciative of that fact. My garden had many of the tried and true from Europe and Denmark. Now that he has allowed his two sons to take over management, they seem to be culling many of the shrub type roses and just having the hybrid teas and those that do best in colder climates. Probably a good decision business wise. This year I placed a large order and it still feels like one is dealing with the three stooges. Very disorganized and confused. I know the rose business is dying so I am trying to send as much good budwood to Palatine or if Pickering opens again, to them also. But again with Pickering, it was the fathers love of roses, not his sons.

A few of the old tea roses in our garden were planted by my DH's great grandfather & grandfather. I know of 3 huge ones that lived approx 100 years.

Jackie

My brother now lives in the house where we grew up. Our mother planted her roses in the late 1950s early 60's. Of the roses she planted (all of which would have been grafted), Oklahoma and Super Star plus one whose name I don't remember, are still growing well and flowering prolifically every year - so that's at least 55+ years - and these roses are basically left to their own devices.

Tricia

For growth habit, remontancy (repeat bloom) and fragrance GOLDEN CELEBRATION is hard to beat. There is a gracefulness to the shrub that works wonderfully in cottage gardens and the very strong fruity fragrance is the best that I've smelled on any yellow rose to date. All that being said to be grown successfully here in black spot hell it must be sprayed with a fungicide - and not just once in a while but consistently every week or else.

Which is why I settled for GRAHAM THOMAS. I not only like the color better (GC's golden yellow color is very deep and lacks the luminescent quality that you get with GT) but the foliage can get by with my erratic spraying. I'm growing him own root as a short climber and have been very pleased with his performance. Decent repeat bloom too, not as prolific as GC, Julia Child or Molineux but there is usually at least one or two blooms on the plant at all times after the profuse spring flush. I can see why this rose is considered a classic.

Neither rose is particularly thorny, which is something that I appreciate.

I don't have Graham Thomas but I do have two Golden Celebration - one is grafted, the other own root. The grafted rose was planted in May 2012 and the own root 12 months later, so they're both relatively young.

The first year I had no black spot whatsoever, however this past Summer was very humid (normally our Summers are very hot and dry) and both plants suffered terribly with BS. So did every other rose in my garden apart from one rugosa. That said, GC continued to bloom prolifically and the perfume is really wonderful.

I don't know that my experience in Zone 9 (b) equiv. will be of much use, but I just thought I'd let you know my experience.

Cheers
Tricia

Hi im interested why there has been little mention of regular copper spray? Im amateur but find that its effective as part of my approach when used regularly especially spring summer. Pine or Eucalyptus mulch suppresses spores on the ground.

Well, an acquaintance of mine who also works for a public garden up here had adviced me to use dormant oil in the spring. I will try it this upcoming spring to see if that works.

I was thinking that in the upcoming Spring, I may cut the bottom leaves off from each plant. I figure if there is no leaves at the bottom to get wet, it may reduce down BS. Well in theory anyways.

I don't know enough about the science behind any of this to say which of you might be right. I do know that psychologically I feel better when I put down some kind of protection, lol!

I feel bad reading this post because I did not winterize my roses at all and I live in Canada, the Great white North. We had our first snowfall yesterday here in Toronto.

Well, I believe that if a rose can't survive our winter than they are not worth keeping.

I agree with Seil for not bringing roses indoor as they are not houseplants. Well the exception is mini roses.

Ok. Doggone it. I am just going to stop worrying this year. Everything is a reasonable size and well protected and damn the torpedoes. I have only a few that are truly irreplaceable.
Susan

If you want just protect those irreplaceable ones and leave the rest. That should cut down on the work. The problem is we really have little control over it anyway. It's up to Mother Nature what kind of winter she wants to throw at us this year.