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seil zone 6b MI

Chance are they'll just send up new ones so don't be oo sad.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 11:41PM
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flaurabunda(6a, Central IL)

I've had the same problem this spring. Had to prune the dickens out of everyone, and there's very minimal new growth from the canes I left. Most (about 90%) of the new growth were new canes from the graft, and on the plants exposed to the highest wind velocities I have lost over 70% of each of those new canes.

I tried to blame it on critters, but after the 3rd go-around I was able to stand on the deck & watch the damage occur on the last bout of storms.

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 11:53AM
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Those were bare root roses I planted in MayAre they hybrid teas?
Posted by tigerloveroses June 20, 2014
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Yes

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 10:32AM
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HollyKline

Thanks for posting this! I had considered going this year but ended up not being able to - next year I'm hoping to give it a shot. :)

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 9:39AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

If the society you joined was Jersey Shore, our next meeting is in August, and our show is in September. :-)

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 10:28AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Your garden is lovely, Holly!

    Bookmark   June 10, 2014 at 6:31PM
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HollyKline

Thank you! :)

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 9:46AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

(Expletive), who'd a thunk that Chili Thrips would get to San Antonio that fast?

Sorry for y'all.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 11:54AM
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Brittie - La Porte, TX 9a

Urg. They must be on their way here then. :/

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 8:36AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I do not have an answer for you but I sure do wish you better luck with the new ones you planted and hopefully the ones you pruned grow back much better!

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 8:52PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I think for us in the SE, it was the combination of the cool wet summer we had and then the brutal winter. Everyone I know has lost not only roses, but all kinds of shrubs. On of my neighbors has a nice bed of hollies that have not come back. Usually these don't even lose their leaves.

I hear you about the Dr Huey roots. I had to dig up some dead roses and the roots (which were alive and well) were HUGE. I am sure I didn't get them all and will be fighting off suckers for awhile.

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 6:27AM
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debbee(9)

I have 5 new tree roses on my back deck and I noticed all 5 of them have half eaten holes on the leaves. I've read here it's the cutter bees doing the damage. I sprayed something on the trees for insects so now I'm worried I may have hurt the bee and given it poison to take back to the nest. Any answers for me?

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 5:34PM
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cold_weather_is_evil(9)

>> what I wouldn't give to have a leaf cutter this year. ... VERY few bees. I plant a few things to bring them in

Some sources say they can be enticed to stay around by supplying housing like one would do for mason bees.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 5:54PM
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nummykitchen

Thanks, everyone!

Jazzmom -- Here are my own roots, all of the others on the first list were grafted.

did NOT survive

Raspberry Cream Twirl Climber (really surprising since it had almost no winter die back the previous year)
Nicola Parade mini
Promise
Natasha Monet

DID make it :)

Denali (weak)
Steppin' Out (weak)
Memoriam
Pope John Paul II
Candyland
mini pink Kordana
Baby Paradise
Cupcake
Cafe Ole
Green/White Victory grocery store potted rose
Lagerfeld
Peppermint Parfait
Hot pink kordana mini
multiple pink grocery store minis
Vulcano Kordana mini
Smile Kordana mini
Irish Cream (tiny band from Burlington that survived in ground, very surprised!!)
Rainbow (weak)
Grimaldi
Henri Matisse
Dick Clark
Julio Iglesias (weak)
Headliner
Pop Warner
Harry Wheatcroft (weak)
Michelangelo the Painter
Strawberry Ice
Mexicana (weak)
Gene Boerner (weak)

    Bookmark   June 16, 2014 at 2:01PM
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mgleason56(Michigan 5b)

I lost almost all of my Vintage Garden roses I purchased last year and were stored in my garage. Never before was my garage so cold that water bottles froze solid. WAs always a safe way to protect new roses until this past winter.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 4:39PM
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bayarea_girl(NorCA 9)

Thank you sow_what for the good advice.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 3:06PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I gave up on being overly patient. Their are certain things I expect from a rose or any plant/shrub in our garden so they either perform or they get the ax. Lifes to short.... ;-)

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 4:29PM
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roseseek

Many garden centers, home improvement stores which have "garden departments", even Dollar Store type outlets sell packages of thin bamboo stakes, usually stained green. They range from a foot to six feet in length, are packaged in plastic bags and sell usually for under $5. Often the shortest lengths contain about a dozen with the longer ones containing six. They're perfect for staking the errant single stems of plants such as you describe. Kim

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 12:18AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Unless this is a miniature rose -- or even if it is -- a 10" pot isn't big enough for your rose. And Terra Cotta pots aren't good choices for roses.

It probably won't produce mature growth unless it has some room to grow roots.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 12:14PM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Uncanoonuc Mt Perennials in Goffstown NH sells it. Worth the trip.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 4:58AM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Thanks for all the help, folks! That's a good point that the striped roses tend to be variable in color and not to over judge the one bloom, particularly on a brand new band. I'm happy with any descendants of Ferdinand Pichard, Christopher, since I can't seem to keep the parent himself alive in my yard.

So far, there seems to be consensus that Papageno is a good working name for this one. I actually like the prospect of these mystery roses, mgleason, since it could be literally anything in their catalog and it tends to stretch me to try roses I wouldn't normally buy. A few years ago, the mystery rose was "Rookie", a compact short flori/mini white rose, and it really has turned out to be a nice steady bloomer and great bloom form. I probably wouldn't have bought Robin Hood or Sophisticate (from two and three years ago) on their own, but they ramble nicely in the part shade, and they really make a statement in the neighbor's yard where they asked me to expand my shade area into their side of the yard.

You're right that I might be able to ask Rogue Valley, though I find that their phone personnel are lovely people and helpful with orders, but they don't seem to know the details of the roses if they're not labeled. I don't know if Rogue Valley sends mystery plants because the labels have been lost or misplaced in propagation (hence they don't know any more than we do), or because they're overstocked. On my side, it would be more convenient to call these "our choice" rather than "mystery" roses and leave the tags in if it's the latter situation, but I don't mind the unknown for the first year. My only dilemma comes in where to plant something that hasn't bloomed and I have no clue what it is. The unknown mini from this year was easy to place, but I have a vaguely HT looking bush that I had to guess where to put, since I rarely if ever move roses once planted.

Besides, I have all you lovely helpful folks to help me identify the roses each year! I challenge any rose company, except maybe Burlington and the dearly departed Vintage, to have the breadth of expertise in identifying a wide range of roses that we have here on GW!

Cynthia

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 2:34PM
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bethnorcal9

It looks like PAPAGENO to me too. I'd have to go check and see how many thorns mine has. I don't recall it having very many tho.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 12:40AM
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johnnycabot(Z4b MI.)

I love your garden and your John Cabot! Too often overlooked and such a winner! Spectacular!

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 7:39PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

I love the way you've trained it around your window. And what a lovely and lush garden!

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 8:21PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

I don't know if this is just coincidence or if it works. This spring when I had thrips really bad, I would spray the tops with bonide insecticide. It has the same active ingredient in Orthene. I used the full strength, 2 TBSP for 1/2 gallon every 3-6 days. I haven't noticed ANY bore holes! Coincidence? Usually, I will have bore holes some even with sealing the cane with Elmer's exterior wood glue.

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 6:16PM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

I was thinking about Celeste the other day and wondering what had become of her: I know she had health issues. Does anybody know anything about how and what she's doing now? I don't remember seeing any posts from Celeste for a very long time, which is why I'm talking about her in the past tense. Celeste, if you are on the forum these days, please excuse me: I haven't seen your messages.
Celeste's posts were always so beautiful and inspiring, because she showed what it's possible to do in conditions that would make many gardeners throw up their hands. I don't garden in a cold climate, but I really appreciated her.
Melissa

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 8:50AM
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bellarosa(z5/IL)

Melissa,
I was thinking the same thing - whatever happened to Celeste. I hope she is doing well. I purchased a few roses based on her beautiful pictures. Hopefully, she will see this post and come back. She is missed! :-)

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 5:47PM
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