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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

It would be highly unusual or nearly impossible for RRD to first appear on two basal shoots. Infection always occurs above ground where a mite has landed. Usually they infect a latent growth bud in a leaf axil, leading to a sick lateral shoot. Occasionally, it might start in the growth tip of one basal shoot.

Basal breaks on 'Prairie Sunrise' are kind of odd-looking anyway.

Incidentally, it's one of Buck's best roses, with a very large, fragrant flower.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 1:05PM
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tigerloveroses

I feel your pain:) had the same thing happen to me...freaked out over a weird new shoot and proceeded to destroy what,in hindsight,I think was a perfectly good rose...an old ,wise nursery employee told me:when you'll have red on a rose their wouldn't be any doubt...so,if your not sure,it's probably not it.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 11:43PM
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phasedweasel(7b)

Thanks, this is really helpful. The Dawns look like excellent candidates, and I may put one in next spring. The info on the wild heritage roses is also fascinating.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 4:57PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

In agreement with New Dawn. Look for a tip rooted start (or a start where a cane has touched ground.) Or take a brick and help a long cane stay in contact with the ground through summer and early fall.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 7:16PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

That's a pretty thorough job of enabling, upstream.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 12:44PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, Michael, really? Us? Enable? ROFL!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 6:17PM
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mainemom

Thank you all for your input. I thought maybe thrips were to blame, but a closer look inside the bloom leads me to think proliferation is the answer. I'm glad to hear that possibly a rose can grow out of it. I hope mine does, because I love this rose!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 5:34PM
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roseseek

Yup, proliferation. Michael, grow Tequilla Sunrise. Every time I fed it anything with nitrogen, it threw proliferated blooms until the nitrogen either flushed through or was mostly used up. I could force that one to proliferate. Kim

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 5:36PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I have this happen on several roses. Mostly in the spring. It seems if they grow quickly, if we have a lot of rain, the canes don't get hardened off enough and the weight of the cane pulls it off. Usually right where the cane meets another cane or the graft. I've been guilty of causing this by brushing up against new canes, they can be very delicate.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 2:28PM
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veryzer

Yeah, Predfern, my fertilizing regimen has been consistent, too. I did have to prune WS2000, along with my other roses, nearly to the ground. I guess they're just more susceptible than my other varieties.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 2:43PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Sorry to say that that looks dead. If you are purchasing bagged bare root roses at this time of year chances are most of them are already too far gone when you get them to make it. Those roses were harvested last fall. They were dug up, stripped of all their leaves, soil and a lot of their roots and chopped off top and bottom to fit in those bags. Then they were placed in cold storage all winter to go to the stores in February and March. Now they've been sitting on a store shelf since then with no care or water of any kind. The store is cutting the prices to get rid of them, and that's appealing, but they really aren't worth the money. If you have a good nursery near you I'd suggest you go pick out a nice potted rose that's already growing and healthy and start with that.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 11:48PM
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ngardener123(5a)

I think you are right. The ones kept dying are the replacements I bought from late April to June, and the first batch I bought in early March are fine. Thanks for the useful information!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 1:44PM
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dragonfly_field(8)

Hello I'm new here, but couldn't help myself from commenting! Your pictures are all beautiful! ! I am a huge fan of all the bright colors, it looks so happy. :) You have done a very nice job!!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 12:39AM
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johnnycabot(Z4b MI.)

WELCOME Jessica; Your garden is lovely! What a wonderful home you have made. Gardening is a most therapeutic hobby, it refreshes the soul and exercises the body. Nice to meet you!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 7:03AM
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seil zone 6b MI

You need not be ashamed at all! You got a lovely rose and a great deal!

No, it's not too late to plant potted roses at all. Bare roots, yes...maybe, lol...but potted roses should go right into the ground or transplant without a blink. Just try not to disturb the existing root ball. It probably doesn't even need to go into the shade. I'm sure it's been out in full sun at the nursery for weeks already. Treat it just like all your other roses and it should do fine.

I would say you can plant potted roses all through June and maybe into July depending on how hot your weather is. If it's scorching hot it's probably not the best time to plant anything but if not go for it. I've dug out vigorous and healthy roses and transplanted them in mid July and other than a touch of transplant wilt, which some good watering took care of, they took off and did great. Know your roses and your weather and play it by that.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 3:37PM
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farmerduck

Also, I think that some of the DA potted roses are actually own roots. As far as I can tell, the latest (and last, I hope) DA potted rose I got is own root.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2014 at 12:23AM
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dragonfly_field(8)

Thank you that is good to know! We are renting now and hopefully will have our own home in a year or two and eventually they will probably be planted in the ground, but for a year or two at the least they will stay in pots. It's very wet where I am and rains most of the year except july and August. June and September are usually dry as well, the rest of the years is often soggy. Not sure if that makes any difference.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 6:19PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Except when you're gradually potting up very tiny seedlings or cuttings bigger is usually better for roses. They can't grow to their true potential if they don't have the pot room to build a big enough root ball to support the top growth.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 11:22PM
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gr8heather(6b)

The mini could be rainbows end... I'll have to watch it and see how the colors develop. :) thanks

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 4:54PM
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roseseek

Yes, you can cross large roses with minis. Kim

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 10:23PM
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Rosecandy VA, zone 7

Okay, so they aren't a problem for me then. Thanks everyone!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 6:29PM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

I have wondered about these so did a little search. From Wikipedia:

In the adult form, it eats and damages leaves of many crops, including cucumbers, soybeans, cotton, beans, and many others. In the larval form, which is known as the southern corn rootworm, it tunnels through the roots of young plants, stunting or killing them. These native pests have a wide range of host plants, but will readily infest a field of crop plants, most notoriously corn.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 7:06PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Do you have some hot weather expected? A stretch of cool over cast weather is best for transplanting. Disturbing the rootball as little as possible, and possibly some temporary shade can help for a smoother transition.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 10:30PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Go ahead and move them. Dig and prep the new homes first, dig BIG root balls and try not to lose any soil or roots if possible when moving it, replant in new spots and WATER! And keep them watered but not soggy wet. They may wilt a tad at first but should soon perk back up. Don't fertilize them until you see new growth on them. They should be AOK!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 4:49PM
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gardenbug(8b)

Okay, this is awesome. You folks are so helpful. Thank you. Since I'm fairly new to rose growing, I think I'll put a couple of stakes in where the branches have drooped to the ground. Tie them to the stakes and when the roses are faded, I'll cut the branch back. I'm just not sure where to make a cut or how far back? Thanks again for helping me.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 6:28PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Cut back to where it can stand up by itself. Maybe halfway.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 10:21AM
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what is this problem?Not sure what is causing this problem?
Posted by gardenlady48(z5 IL) June 12, 2014
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The fungus is botrytis. This condition is also called "balling." In the garden, fungicides will have little or no effect. The problem will subside in warm or dry weather.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 10:07AM
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gardenlady48(z5 IL)

Thank u michaelg !

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 10:11AM
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pembroke(6--Louisville KY)

has been in pot about a month. Should I see roots coming out bottom of pot and then transplant to larger pot? Pembroke

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 5:45AM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

The rose will have visible roots in its own time. A month is a very short time for a good root system. 6-8 weeks is more typical. but I've had some take much longer.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2014 at 7:05AM
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