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In hot, humid central Florida, the roses on your list that have done well for me are: Belinda's Dream, Clotilde Soupert, Cl., Cecile Brunner, cl., Fields of the Wood, Mrs. BRC, SDLM, Cl., Sombreuil, and Don Juan. Mrs. Isaac Perriere and Abraham Darby were so so. Eden was terrible. The rest I have not tried.
- thanks floridarsez9 for your feedback on the roses : )
- thanks ken-n, I'll try with fresh fish when potting up the roses. I think it's better than package fish emulsion. Also, I prefer organic gardening. And we ve got a lot of rice hulls here. You know a lot about my country, have you been to Ho Chi Minh, ken?
I have grown Queen of Sweden but not Queen Anne. I'm not sure anyone in the USA has Queen Anne--don't think it is offered here. (I might be wrong--but doublecheck.) Are you sure you were looking at the American site?
Right off hand--comparing the English site's description of Queen Anne with the Queen of Sweden growing in my garden, I'd say the main differences are height--QofS is 4-5 ft tall in my garden whereas Queen Anne is evidently a shorter rose; Qof S has very good disease-resistance whereas Queen Anne probably does not (when Austin says nothing about how "healthy" the plant is that is usually a clue that you may have to spray it to control blackspot); and the pink bloom of QofS is highlighted in the center with a faint blush of pastel apricot whereas Queen Anne is solid pastel pink. QofS also has what I think is called a "cupped" bloom (very attractive) whereas Queen Anne does not, but I don't know how to describe her shape. The only somewhat negative thing I can think of about QofS is that she is rather slow on the re-bloom in hot weather and she seems to like a bit more water than most of my other roses.
If you are interested in a somewhat darker pink rose that is shorter than QofS, check out Princess Anne (on the American site). She sounds terrific--if I had any space left, I'd try her out.
Kate
Thank you for your response, Kate. I learned about Queen Anne rose from my 2014 David Austin catalog (15th USA Edition), so that's how I know that she is available here.
I have considered the beautiful Princess Anne rose, which you suggested, but have read, on a thread or two, that she is "uber thorny", as opposed to Queen Anne and Queen of Sweden, who have few thorns. I believe that I am ready to deal with a few thorns, but not with "uber thorny"!
You made a good point about disease-resistance. When David Austin does not comment on the healthiness and disease-resistance of a particular rose, I have to wonder about it. However, I believe that all of the roses that he has bred, in very recent years, are probably healthier than many of those that he introduced years ago. If a rose is featured in the main collection of the current catalog, I feel that it is worthy for me to give it a try.
Another pink rose that captures my attention is Lady Salisbury. I simply cannot resist the description and photo of her "matt" green leaves. (This is a description that D.A. seldom uses in his books and catalogs.) Foliage and growth style is every bit as important to me as the blooms.
Thank you for your input on Queen of Sweden. She is very appealing to me! I have read many good things about her on this forum. : )
I have had Knockout roses in my garden for about 6/7 years, they have been hardy here in zone 6a without any winter protection, but last winter was the worst of all, I lost a few of them, and a lot of them had dieback to smaller size-just like the one on the left in the photo, and my double Knockouts have midge issue this growing reason, didn't bloom much, and some them have never bloomed. I am getting a trailer mulch for my roses at the end of Nov. Hoping for a warmer winter.
Because your employer likes Austin roses, which are bred to have bloom shapes which resembles that of Old Roses. , you might try introducing your employer to some of the original Old Roses, many of which do particularly well in the South, and hundreds of which
- bloom more often than Austin roses can because they do not have a period of dormancy,
- are beautiful plants, even when not in bloom.
- more information about these on the antique roses page at gardenweb
each of these roses may be seen in photos at helpmefind.com /roses under search and plant.
or on gardenweb under search
-Old Garden "Tea" class ( a totally different class (or group) than Hybrid Tea. Because Tea roses do not go dormant in the winter, and they bloom on short flowering stems, they re-bloom faster than Hybrid Teas or Austin roses, and begin to bloom earlier in spring, and later through autumn.
a few of the more popular Tea roses that I love:
apricot 'Lady Hillingdon' a fragrant apricot rose that I've counted as being in bloom for more than 150 days, ( an average rose flush lasts between 28 and 33 days, during its first bloom cycle of the year with no less than 33% of its full bloom output during that time. (its' pollen is sterile which is why it blooms so much without ever needing to be dead-headed).
Yellow
'Etoile de Lyon' my favorite lemony yellow old garden Tea, it has a scent which is called "delicious" by one author and to me smells of honeysuckle, and fresh cream with vanilla in it.
Yellow/ with some pink. roguevalleyroses.com
Marie Van Houtte (lovely scent, lots of prickles)
Mrs. Dudley Cross similar hues but nearly no prickles.
Golden Yellow
Reve d'Or' can be grown as a 5 and 1/2 foot tall shrub or a climber so can
Alister Stella Gray which is a creamy yolk hue, and which has smaller roses.
White Tea roses
Westside Road Cream Tea (roguevalleyroses.com)
Ducher' is said to do well in the south,
both are very fragrant, and covered with beautiful white roses most of the year.
Mme. Alfred Carriere, a white Tea-Noisette climber which is very popular.
Pink, or pink blend.
Mrs. B.R. Cant
Le Vesuve (China-Tea) very floriferous, has dainty pink blend roses that seem to alight gracefully on the plant like butterflies.
a very attractive plant.
Maman Cochet large pink and cream roses which show some lavender tints.
Red blend
Monsieur Tillier
this and mrs .b.r. cant can grow to be more than 6' tall in two years.
Noisette class
Rosebushes from this class are particularly well foliaged, and most are fragrant, some greatly scented.
-small flowered
-scent is often sweet and spicy, like cloves and roses.
Blush Noisette is very popular in the American South, it was bred there, in c. 1803, by a rice farmer named John Champneys.
Nastarana a white Noisette.
Rosa moschata is a wild white Musk rose that is very fragrant that was used to breed the first Noisette rose. It too is a wonderful garden plant.
I'd ask locally which roses are most disease resistant in your area. The only reason, I believe, that everyone doesn't grow Old Garden Tea and Noisette rosebushes is that they cannot: roses of the 3 evergreen classes are not cold hardy, but we who are fortunate to live in California or the South can grow such wonderful roses.
Plus, roses from the evergreen group do not need to be pruned to bloom at their best.
One need only to remove diseased wood or wood that is out of bounds.
I water my largest evergreen rosebushes only once a month, because many have deep roots that reach lower levels of water in the soil.
Well thats my tuppunce.
Good luck and God bless, I'm sorry if we were rough with you,
Lux.
P.S. all in all, I'd say my evergreen roses need about 1/3rd to 1/2 less care than my Austin roses.
another perk, Old Garden Tea roses grown on their own roots can bloom for more than 50 years, Mr. Austin suggests his rosebushes be replaced after ten years.
Great to hear, Beige! This was a sweltering Summer with the sun more intense than I recall, though that's been building noticeably for several years now. Felt like being in the Florida Keys many days! Coming on the heels of last Winter's extended cold & delayed Spring, double whammy for plants and those who care for them. That you've successfully shepherded them through this difficult year is a real credit to you & to them. The Austin's seem particularly "vocal" about what they do & don't like as individuals, sulking when unhappy & rejoicing when content. Rather a help in learning each's preference, since they make it clear in no uncertain terms.
The roses here get a generous helping of leaf compost spread at their feet a few inches away from the base right about now, later covered with oak leaves as a tuck in for Winter when those fall. By Spring both have further melted into the soil & another helping of compost alone is applied on top. Can't say if I'm feeding the worms or the roses - hopefully both - along with the soil micro-organisms. Happy worms aerate & till this mineral rich clay-based soil to help keep it from waterlogging, adding their fertilizer in the process. If the roses ask for it or I'm feeling frisky, they receive some fish-seaweed Neptune's Harvest during the growing season (watered in or foliar) & maybe compost if more is ready. Don't treat for fungal or other disease besides keeping the surface cleaned of fallen rose leaves & stripping the occasional affected leaflets, and rinsing foliage touched by rare mildew with a gentle water spray when necessary. With this approach in this climate, important to choose roses with disease resistance under similar circumstances.
A number of Austin's have come & gone through the years, though I'm not familiar with recent releases. Those that endured & thrive include Golden Celebration, The Endeavour & Abe Darby. Abe grows in his own spot downwind of other roses, isolated for his tendency to spot at the base when weather conditions push him, but even he does very well in the main, shrugging it off with a little attention to removing maybe 20% of his foliage showing the beginning inroads. The Endeavour blooms its best with high temps, really loving the heat. Its blooms are spectacular with chameleon hues that change daily & solid perfume. Apparently not widely grown, it's happy here. So is Golden Celebration, which blooms generously & continually from early to late. Another rose which Austin offers & which he's used in breeding is Boerner's Aloha, predating but in the style of his English Roses. Thrives here as a bountiful beauty with strong perfume & highly recommend in similar climates.
Keep in mind these are grown in mixed perennial settings, a garden with roses rather than a rose garden. Wishing you continued success with your roses, and a long Indian Summer going forward in which to enjoy them!
Here is a link that might be useful: The Endeavour
This post was edited by vasue on Sun, Oct 19, 14 at 8:57
See if they'll give you a spring shipment date. Most places will do that. If not your best bet is to dig a trench and bury them completely for the winter. Be sure to mark the spot very well so you can find them and dig them out without damaging them next spring.
Thanks for your responses. I managed to get the ship date moved to April. In the meantime, now that I have bought myself some time, I'll do some more research on my choices. I'll definitely give more thought to own-root vs. grafted. When I placed the order I thought own-root was what I was supposed to get and specifically looked for it.
I saw Aschermittwoch (aka Ash Wednesday) growing at Eurodesert in 2011. The flowers appeared quite grey to me, very unusual. It's a climber. My mother used to grow the hybrid tea Blue Girl. Its flowers were a silvery lavender. As best I recall it was fairly healthy in this area (and was grown near our horses and thus never got sprayed like many of my mother's other roses), but I don't know how it would fare elsewhere.
The plan you have for your cat sounds lovely. I do similar things when a much-loved pet dies. When my little dog Scarlet died, I planted Scarlet Moss and Rosa canina Laxa (the dog rose) on her grave. I lost my beloved Kuvasz Magda in February and redid a whole section of the yard in her favorite colors and dedicated it to her.
Melissa
Here is a link that might be useful: Aschermittwoch
Thanks all!! I can't wait to order mine! I have been talking to some people in my area. A rosarian? from the Milwaukee Rose Society & he lives about a half hour east of me & says the CdeC does well for him. But then I am a novice to rose growing, so who knows. I am checking out the Young Lycidas too. I have much interest in fragrant repeat blooming roses. :)
These smooth splits are pretty common on some varieties, and I think they are caused simply by the cane growing too fast. (Raggedy splits, on the other hand, are caused by cicadas laying eggs.) The rose has already healed the split. If the cane is supporting healthy top growth, I wouldn't do anything. It seems to be old enough to have a chance of surviving winter, but you'll have to wait and see next spring.
jerijen:I hadn't thought about Elmer's Glue, even though I use it when pruning, but I think that would be a good precaution to anything taking up residence there.
seil:Fingers crossed Eden does make it through the winter. It's in a protected location and prior to purchasing it I had read that others in my zone had success overwintering it year after year. We'll see : )
michaelg:I think I will take the wait and see approach since it is healthy. The Moo Poo Tea this summer may have spurred on the growth spurt. Maybe too much of a good thing. I'm learning.
Thanks All for your help. I appreciate it!