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skmiller asked: "I thought roses likes air circulation and doesn't like to be next to anything.... Do you have to prune the Clematis and the Rose often. Do you have to worry that one will dominate the other and try to kill it, due to aggressiveness."
The trellis is 10-12" away from the wall and when I prune and train it in the late winter I don't let anything grow in the gap behind it. I think that helps. I've also chosen a more disease resistant rose. I'm still figuring out the clematis (and the roses!) I do a major pruning on the rose in late winter when I train it on the trellis and the rest of the year other than whacking it back when some part of it is annoying me that late winter pruning is all I do. New Dawn is a very vigorous rose so I don't worry too much about anything challenging it.
The clematis I haven't been very particular about. The only time I mess with it is at the late winter pruning of the roses and some of it gets taken out as well. On pruning clematis you have to figure out what "type" it is to know what to do with it--so it depends on which clematis you end up with. Then google is your friend.
New Dawn is a vigorous, thorny mess that doesn't give me much repeat bloom. I have a love hate relationship with her. Right now the hate part is winning--and I'm close to ripping her out and trying a different climber there!
Sara Ann,
You're so sweet to post another pic for me! That one looks almost exactly the color of the blooms that I initially posted now that they have aged some. They have that almost lavender hue that lower petals are showing in your latest picture. I think we have another rose in common now :)
What affordable land is left, really that is appropriate for rose nursery operations?
Lower Mid West?
I have no idea. Seems ARE does well in TX. RU in South Carolina. Rogue/Heirloom are both in Oregon, correct?
Obviously it's just a matter of time before California dries up and blows away. That is not said lightly nor as a joke. It is very frightening what is going on out there. I saw some statistics the other day on what percentage of our fruits, veggies etc. come from CA. The drought forecast is not good and it seems the drought areas are spreading farther north and south, even reaching into Oregon.
Maybe Regan's should consider a greenhouse in upper Canadaâ¦.shouldn't be too long until they could do away with the greenhouse.
What kind of legacy are we leaving our children?
Trees, great while they lasted!
Susan, who just had to rant to folks who understand.
I have Regan to thank for many of the bare root roses that I planted this year. Their bare root roses have top-notch quality and the best thing is I can pick them up locally. I live south of SF.
I contacted them a few month ago asking about their relocation plan so that I can either select picking up locally or shipping for my 2015 order and one of the ladies there said they will be in the same location through July of 2015. So, I think they still have time to find a good place for their new nursery.
This post was edited by bayarea-girl on Sat, Oct 11, 14 at 11:47
By doing a quick search on HMFRoses, with the search criteria being that the name contains "love" and that the flower color is "any yellow" I have found a couple of possibilities. Since you didn't mention any color but yellow, I ignored the multicolored roses - such as yellow with pink edges.
'Always Love You' is a floribunda - officially deep yellow, but some of the photos show a medium yellow.
'Summer Love' is a hybrid tea - listed as being medium yellow and as having large flowers. There are only a couple of photos on HMF, but it does seem to be widely available.
If you could provide more information regarding the rose, or a photo, I think people on the forum could give you better guesses at its identity.
Any chance it could be one of the "Easy-To-Love" series? Fits the time frame, though all are still offered. Easy Going & Julia Child are yellow floribundas & could easily reach 5'. Of the two, Easy Going's flowers are reputed to be larger, though I'm not familiar with this rose. Julia Child is such a great favorite of many on this forum that I brought in two this year & now can be added to her fan list.
Take at look them at the link below.
Here is a link that might be useful: Easy to Love roses
Thanks for all the ideas! After a bit of blood, much sweat, and no tears (thankfully), Dr. Huey no longer has residency in my garden.
I think I have his potential replacements narrowed down to:
Aloha Hawaii
Crown Princess Margareta
Westerland
They all seem to be the apricoty color I want (as far as I can tell from pictures anyway). Would appreciate suggestions from anyone who has experience with any of these.
thegardenat902, the Greencure product I just recieved Tuesday is considered organic...
I sprayed Mister Lincoln down with Greencure and will do it again in 7 days and see what happens...
I'll probably spray ML canes down with Greencure right before it leafs out in Spring also... (Not sure if that will help or not?) Will not know until I do it...
Seil - that is VERY interesting about rust! I thought it only plagued those of us in California. In my garden, only some of the HTs get it - nobody else, which I find fascinating. Peace, Golden Showers, Duet, and Sutter's Gold all get it occasionally. None of the teas, chinas, tea noisettes, hybrid musks, hybrid multifloras, hybrid giganticas, polyanthas or other OGRs get it. None.
This is one of the reasons that I early on decided not to ever purchase HTs. Rust is really ickky! You practically have to strip all of the foliage off a rose bush, and then any susceptible ones nearby get it because of the spores flying around in the air.
Sorry to hear it has popped up where you are.
Jackie
Thanks seil and roseseek for the great feedback! I will try to respond to your questions. The pots have good drainage. I used to water until I saw water coming out. As roseseek mentioned, it has been incredibly hot in So Cal, even now. I took the leaves off that were yellow and the first plant seems a bit better, the second plant which was about a week behind in yellowing has more yellow leaves and seems to have some additional problems. As pictured, something seems to be eating the roses. Small round holes! There also appears to be a black "tarry" substance on a few leaves. Any ideas or advice?
Youl're welcome! Those holes are likely either a caterpillar, katydid or grasshopper which ate a hole in the bud before it opened. The tarry, dark stuff is very likely the bug's "poop". If you can find one of those bugs on them, pick it off and kill it. You don't need pesticides as more than likely, whatever it was isn't there anymore. Kim
It's hard for me to say, since very few roses I planted AREN'T fragrant. When I was selecting roses, scent was the first thing I searched, though there's a handful I picked for other reasons and which aren't particularly fragrant. Consequently, I can't easily pick "the most fragrant" out of what I grow. Every time I think "oh, this one" I realize that it was just the most recent to bloom.
What I have noticed among my pot-pet red HTs is that those I have which are descended from 'Crimson Glory' are particularly wonderful, and have only subtle variations on the same scent, which matches that of 'Crimson Glory' -- 'Big Ben', 'Chrysler Imperial', 'Heart's Desire', 'Mirandy', 'Mister Lincoln', 'Nocturne', 'Oklahoma', 'Red Masterpiece', 'Rose of Freedom' and 'Velvet Fragrance'.
'Orfeo' is a climber I have trained into a hacked-back Callery pear (and it has canes nearing 20' long going up into the tree now), and it, too, smells just like its grandparent 'Crimson Glory'. It's the only one of the "family" I have planted in the ground, with one white and one lavender-blue clematis using it as a trellis to get into the tree. I can't wait for next year -- this year, 'Orfeo' bloomed a little for the first time since I planted it last year, so I expect a show in its third year.
Of the most fragrant OGRs, I'd be naming the usual suspects as the most fragrant of what I have from their groups -- three of my Bourbons ('Mme de Sevigne', 'Mme Dore', and 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau'), six of my HPs ('Georg Arends ', "Grandmother's Hat", 'Monsieur Boncenne', 'Pierre Notting', 'Reine des Violettes' and 'Yolande d'Aragon'), both of my Damasks ('Botzaris' and 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseaux'), three of my Damask Perpetuals ('Indigo', 'Rose de Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi, original'), one of the Gallicas ('Georges Vibert'), both Hybrid Chinas ('Duchesse d'Angouleme' and 'Nouveau Monde'), and, of course, 'Rosa moschata' in its single-form, as well as "Secret Garden Musk Climber" (if you count that as an OGR).
Of the Austin roses, I'd give the awards to 'Abraham Darby', 'Golden Celebration', 'Jude the Obscure', 'Prospero', 'Tamora' and 'The Prince'. That leaves 'Happy Child' as the only Austin I have which is not mentioned -- but this came as a band this year, and I've been pinching buds until recently, so can't really offer an opinion.
Interestingly, the roses whose fragrance carries the farthest (i.e. "wafters") tend to be less intensely scented up-close (except, perhaps, for 'R. moschata' and "Secret Garden Musk Climber", which succeed at both). The winners here would be mostly Multiflora-derived (and my handful of Moschata-derived): 'Bubble Bath', 'Clotilde Soupert', "Darlow's Enigma", 'Marie Pavie', 'Mlle Blanche Lafitte', 'Perle d'Or', 'Reverend Seidel', 'Rosa moschata', and "Secret Garden Musk Climber".
This was the second year in the ground for most of my roses, and already the yard was full of yummy scent in May and June. Supporting the roses was a small cast of scented Dianthus which mostly bloomed at the same time. Unfortunately, July and August here was not as knock-your-socks-off, so I have 25 each of mixed Oriental, Trumpet and Orienpet lilies coming with a bulb order in a few weeks which will perfume the yard until the roses rebound from their mid-summer sleep. And various stinky self-seeding annuals will be filling in the gaps.
:-)
~Christopher
My Scottsdale garden is about 50-50 OGR and hybrid teas. The problem with OGRs is that you will need to buy a smaller own root plant which takes a year or more to get going, so I would stick to hybrid teas from local nurseries.
This is the perfect time to plant but be wary of stock that has been in pots in Phoenix all summer. I love Baker's nursery but I don't know if they get new stock in the fall. Try Berridge's nursery, which is in the same area, about Camelback east of 44 St. They always have potted roses.
If you can find it, Chrysler Imperial is a wonderful smelly red rose here, but I would mostly look for healthy looking plants in bloom and pick whatever appeals to you the most. Good luck - you are coming at the right time of year.
Liz
thanks all-- I was planning on buying from the Antique Rose Emporium so I do not have to rely on whatever is around at the garden centers there. Much better selection, and higher plant quality that can be guaranteed. Would like to stay away from Hybrid Teas if possible.
Many of these things will be present on the canes also. With no leaves on there should be no need to shade after arrival, unless there is concern about canes burning.
Thanks for all the input. I'm still having a difficult time with this. If there are disease spores on the plants, they will almost certainly be on the canes also. I find it unbelievable that removing the leaves would remove all disease spores. If disease spread during transit is an issue, wouldn't it be easier to spray the plants with a fungicide, or better yet, an anti-transpirant (which also inhibits disease spread)? Seems like it would be much less labor intensive than stripping leaves.
Oh well, I guess the proof is in the pudding. I'll be planting these guys tomorrow and we'll see how well they root in and grow next year.