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After I started collecting Old Garden Teas, (mostly from the 1800's) I found it hard to go back to H.T.s, as Hybrid Teas bloom less often and need more feeding, and far more pruning than Tea rosebushes.
After a decade without them, I'm finally ready to grow a few Hybrid Teas.
Lux.
I really like the variety of shape that comes with OGRs. When I very first started growing roses (not that long ago) I first bought several HTs and similar types, just because that was all that was available locally, so that is all I knew of, but after i got them all planted & paired with companion plants, I was underwhelmed by how rigidly tall and awkwardly "leggy" they were. I have since added some Austin's and a few OGRs (already have several more the way too) and I much prefer their fuller, more rounded shapes, they look pretty nice even when they aren't in bloom (something I would neve say about a HT). I guess it depends on the type of garden you want to have though, I much prefer the informal "cottage" style gardens someone else mentioned above, I think having a mish mash of color and texture is much more interesting than formal rows, where as someone else may find it sloppy.. To each their own!
Jessica
Some hybrid teas will grow like that too. They were bred to have those long sturdy stems for cutting. It doesn't sound like there is anything wrong except that it's healthy and happy! I don't think you should cut them all the way down now. It's too late in the season. Just let them grow for now and store as much energy as they can for the winter. In the spring you'll be able to tell how far down they need to be pruned. You may lose most or all of that cane depending on how your winter is but it should grow back again next season.
Yes, there are some super-vigorous hybrid teas like 'Frederic Mistral' and 'Traviata' that can grow 8' in a season with straight, upright canes. If that is what she has, my pruning advice wouldn't apply. Best approach is to take long stems after each bloom cycle and try to keep the flowers within reach (7'). These roses would be pruned fairly low in spring, and zone 5 winter damage would require severe spring pruning.
I rented a home near san francisco, ca which had a Gingersnap in the garden, and I was impressed with how disease resistant it was where I lived. It had a very long bloom season for a modern rose, from late April through Halloween, or later and bloomed in spring, summer and autumn, and the blooms were a perfect color for Halloween. Very floriferous.
Lux.
It seems inevitable that these things will all go global eventually. Sad but with the way we move products all around the world now I think it's a given. If you have the right conditions for a pest or a disease it will show up sooner or later.
Mad Gallica it was horrible lol! It did come back with one tiny cane this spring, and then died. We had multiple -16F days and windchills in excess of -20. It was in full bloom, freak storm came through with freezing rain in Nov? I think, and it was all downhill from there. I'm not sure if that's what did it in or not. Oddly enough, I lost an old shrubby Yew just down the patio from this rose that has withstood some horrible winters. I'm in NW Chicago burbs, and a lot of people lost well established, zone appropriate plants last year. I wouldn't hesitate to plant it again, I think last year was just an anomaly.
I'm also in the NW suburbs of Chicago. I loved the Easy Elegance roses when they first came out. I had two young ones that died in the summer drought we had two years ago. They were guaranteed for two years and I did get my money back after I had to 'remind them' I was waiting. LOL
I had two o thers that came through our bad winter last year although one was not hurt at all and the other one is only about t wo inches high and never grew this summer. The good thing about these roses is that they don't seem to get any blackspot, but I'm not as crazy about them anymore.
Hi Scott, yes, I remember (and used to grow) Promise. Its breeding promised much, and it COULD be quite pretty, but most of the promise was broken by disease and a refusal to grow. When the stars aligned perfectly, and spraying maintained religiously, those blooms could be enormous and perfectly stunning. Usually, that wasn't the case, unfortunately. If you find one, do yourself a favor and bud it. Own root, it can be a real mess. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Promise on Help Me Find
I actually purchased an own-root one from Roses Unlimited a few yrs ago. I planted it in one of my beds, and I don't believe it's ever bloomed yet! For some reason own-roots take forever to get going for me. Generally I try to plant them in 1gal containers for a few yrs before putting them in the ground. But for some reason I planted it in the ground right away. My soil is pretty crappy and I may not have amended it enough in that area. Roses Unlimited still lists it as available, if you're interested in trying it. You may not have any problem with it. You just never know. Everyone's experiences are different with every rose.
I have ordered THREE Karlsruhes, mendocino. I am so glad that Friends of Vintage Roses is helping to conserve these living treasures. I can't say anything to help about cuttings, nastrana,having little to no experience,but was wondering: could you try layering one of your Karlruhe's branches? (not sure if I've used the right term, but what I mean is burying part of a branch of the plant that includes bud eyes ,weighing it down if necessary,and letting the end of it stick up out of the soil,then keeping it watered and waiting patiently to see if it roots) I seem to remember that it's habit would permit this. I have had luck in reproducing roses this way,though am not at all sure if all kinds will do this...bart
The type of rose would be called a Hybrid Tea rose and may or may not be a florist rose. Usually florist roses do not do very well in the garden because they are bred to be grown under very particular conditions in greenhouses. You don't say where you live or what zone but probably, unless you live in Maui or some other tropical place, roses won't get that large for you.
Thanks for the info, Seil. I value your expertise on the forum (long time reader). I suspected it could be an HT of some sort. Left unchecked, roses here easily grow very large & bushy, but I'm more interested in the ones with a tendency to produce upward growing, single stem blooms. I had a young, florist Red Intuition that set some stems like that, on a smaller scale. I'd like to find more of the same, preferably garden types if there are any.
By the way, I'm in South Africa, near Johannesburg, primarily in a dry winter, summer rainfall area with lots of sunshine. Roses do very well here.
Aaah... It blooms and repeats fairly well and the blooms are big and pretty. But it sometimes gets thrips and B/S. Sorry don't remember fragrance. MIne's still in a big pot. I've had it for a few yrs. This season it didn't do as well for some reason. Needs to get in the ground I suppose. Overall I'd say it's a decent rose.
I have it, from Chamblees. Still a young plant, like it a lot - smallish blooms - lovely color, healthy foliage. Plum Perfect is planted nearby, larger rose, much the same - great colored blooms, healthy foliage. I may get a few more of these.......A top rosarian from Houston told Mark Chamblee that Plum Perfect was THE best lavender she had grown. Mine is still young, but I am inclined to agree.
Judith
Pickering going own-root would be a sad loss.
There are an awful lot of roses that are pretty much ungrowable in the north without a rootstock to push them. IME, that includes everything that usually suffers cane dieback over the winter. So if everybody goes own-root, there will be a major cutback in what can be grown where, and a lot more roses will not be available commercially because they can't sell enough of them.
I just put in a good-sized order (12 plants) with Heirloom Roses. I like the selection there (what isn't sold out yet!), and being in the PNW, I figured the roses would do well with shipping, etc..I'm also thinking that own-root is the way to go now if the climate isn't too cold. I'm a bit nervous because I've never gotten the band pots before--are they going to be tiny? They are going directly in the garden with cages around them (lovely, huh?). Super excited to have roses again!