22,795 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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rosecanadian

Oh, those are really nice!! Love the color!!

Carol

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bayarea_girl(NorCA 9)

My normal choice will be a soft color but they only had red and I am glad I bought them anyway. It is fun to do the unexpected sometimes.

Helen

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Ken (N.E.GA.mts) 7a/b(7a/b)

If I hear more good things about J&P this year, I just might give them a shot next spring. Yours look pretty darn good.

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bayarea_girl(NorCA 9)

Thank you. I received the two Signature in Jan and Pure Posh in Feb. Their pictures on HMF and J&P look beautiful and I cannot wait to see their blooms.

Talking about rose vendors, I bought two roses from Heirloom (own root) and they look great too. I am sure will buy from them again if I need own root roses.

I have been ordering most of my roses from Regan and pick them up locally. Their bare roots roses are very healthy too.

Helen

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Oh, Beth - I'm so glad you are almost done with this nightmare! You were already prime candidate for GardenWeb Rose Hero for having 2000+ roses and posting such exquisite pictures everywhere, not to mention all your helpful and supportive comments. But moving 60 well-established roses in one day by yourself - that's worthy of its own Special Hero Award all by itself.

I'm sorry to hear of the loss of specialty roses in that area too! You are the keeper of many hard to find and rare roses in the US, and it's sad to hear of them fading on you. If you feel like posting a list when the smoke clears we might be able to see if we have cuttings to share. I sincerely doubt anything would survive in my zone 5 yard that wouldn't survive in yours (in fact you are the cause of many dying attempts to grow roses like Butterscotch or Smoky), but I'd be happy to attempt cuttings of anything unusual I might have to replenish the collection.

Hang in there, and we send virtual hugs and red wine from the GW family.

Cynthia

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bethnorcal9

Thanks guys! Thanks Cynthia! You're sweet. I just want the ones I had to dig out to make it at this point. They don't look so good, but I think they'll make it. I didn't get around to taking pics again. They left the big John Deere caterpillar thingie in the backyard til Monday and the dump truck outside. Didn't get paid yet either. I was kinda surprised.

Got the bird feeding pergola moved. The property is so sloped we had an awful time getting it level. It's a big 10'sq aluminum one with slats across the top. I got is free at work a few yrs ago cuz it was missing parts. Ok with me. Was only bolts missing, which we bought to replace them. I hang bird feeders all over it and have a new ceramic bird bath which I use for a feeder instead. Put the peanuts there for the jays. When they get the rest of the equipment out of here, we'll do the dog's pen. Then I can start planning beds. Yippee!!

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

My roses will look like that frequently in the spring when temperatures fluctuate like what you describe. They get frost nipped when the new growth isn't quite prepared for low dips in the temperature. You can pull off any foliage that annoys you, or the rose will drop it off on its own and grow lovely new foliage for you. Others may chime in if there looks to be anything else contributing to this, but it looks like normal spring variability to me.

Cynthia

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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you Cynthia, at this point I think you are right, I hope that's all it is.

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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

It really depends on where you are. Anywhere around here, Iceberg is horrible for blackspot, and really needs to be sprayed. Sombreuil has had unimpressive blackspot resistance, but is better. White Dawn is a seedling of New Dawn, and supposedly not as good a rose. White New Dawn is a sport of New Dawn, so has all of its merits, but is a lot harder to find. White Cap is also a good white climber, though it isn't quite as hardy as New Dawn. I expect a lot of dieback on it this spring.

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summersrhythm_z6a

I planted an Iceberg two years ago, it didn't make it after the coldest winter. I am in zone 6a, it's pretty icy cold here. I purchased two bare root Sally Holmes last year, they're still alive. :-)

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steve_gw

Same as pruning the big ones, twiggy growth is relative regardless of the variety. The mini twiggy growth would be smaller than the best canes.
Remove dead wood and prune to leave the center of the bush open as you
would a larger rose.

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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Thank you Steve, thats what I thought.

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Blueisland BC PNW-Z7-8(8a)

Hey, I am planning to put a purple clematis by mine too!! Great gardening minds think alike I guess. Love Spring!!

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gardenbug(8b)

I think a blue clematis would also look nice, but I'm going with my first instinct. Yes, great gardening minds do think alike. lol

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

They both look great but yes the more established rose bush has the edge!

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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Thanks, all.

I keep the mature one at 5' x 6' because that is the space available. I think it looks better kept a little smaller. The other one I've just done light tipping and removal of dead wood, as it is still a youngling.

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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Gosh every time this pops up in my e mail I feel the need to go to confession.

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seil zone 6b MI

OH, SoFL, Al gave me money for my two DA roses for Christmas, lol! I can't wait for them to come.

Patty, your forgiven, lol!

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

mustbnuts, I hope you are able to take a picture of the bloom of Vick's Caprice. I've always thought that is such a beautiful rose.

If I knew how much money I spent over the last nine years on roses, including the many dozens I've discarded, I'd probably go into shock. But, really, I can't think of anything else that has given me such a sense of anticipation, excitement and satisfaction so many times during those years. A large part of life should be enjoyment, in whatever form that may take, so let's not feel guilty (unless of course you've sold your firstborn in order to finance your hobby!).

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dan8_gw (Northern California Zone 9A)

Looking forward to Pope John Paul II the most. Heard so many great things on here, can't wait to see what he'll do in my yard.

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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

If you really want to know, you can try cutting a piece of the root off and planting it in a pot. 'Dr. Huey' is known for coming back from pieces left behind in the soil after removing a rose grafted onto it. While it would probably take a year or two before seeing a bloom from a root cutting, you'll be able to narrow the guesses down by looking at foliage.

:-)

~Christopher

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stillanntn6b

Not all rose roots are equal. If you have alkalin soils, Dr. Huey will be much happier and will do a better job than when he is planted in acidic soils.

Multiflora can handle acidic soils and will make vigorous growth there and is a better rootstock in my acidic soils. It took me a long time to learn this as most 'serious' local rose growers grow in soils that are made for roses, and that don't have a lot in common with our native top soils (and the layer of clay that's under our too thin top soil. )

Belinda's Dream seems to be happy on its own roots in good loamy soils as well as in acidic emended soil in my yard.

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joe6366

Kentucky I agree with you both are amazing.Buford I went with Dick Clark too.

Seil,fortyseven,Sara and Ken thank you.

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kublakan

Here are both bushes side by side. They are both young, but they should give you an idea. I've been wanting Sheila's Perfume for a while, so I was very pleased when I found her. For this reason, and the fact that I haven't had both long enough, I couldn't recommend one for the other without being bias. Pardon the crappy pics.

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irisgal_z9

Are there trees that give it more shade throughout the summer?

We needs lots more pictures!!! On my monitor the darker flower is a wonderful shade of yesteryear's smokey antiquey pink (?). I've been reading about 'Cape Diamond' because it also has that color. But a much flatter bloom showing the yellow stamens. Such a rare shade in roses. Lucky you! Perhaps it is just a once bloomer?

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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Definitely not Cape Diamond She never has that shape. Color is close but she opens flat. It looks so much like a floribunda or grandiflora. But even a starving flora will re bloom. Your foliage is in too good of shape for this to be a neglected rose bush. Is there any chance you have rose midge. If other roses are re-blooming I would think not.

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comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)

Ingrid, perhaps some of the following may help with getting your roses to last longer in the vase? :-

"Collect the blooms early in the morning or in the evening and plunge them deep in water for several hours. The water and the container must be fresh and clean, at air temperature rather than cold. Commercial additives are generally worth using, but the traditional aids of copper coins, aspirin, charcoal and sugar in the water all help to keep the blooms fresh.

As you place each stem into the arrangement, re-cut the stem under water in order to rid the stem of air pockets in the sap-stream. Splitting or scraping the stem allows more water to be taken up. Display your arrangement in a cool, draught-free position if possible, as the warmth of fires and appliances will dry out the flowers. An occasional fine spray of water through an atomising sprayer will keep them looking fresh."

From: A Manual of Heritage Roses by Deane M Ross, 1989 (For anyone interested, this is a great little introduction to the whole subject of older roses from a local multi-generational family rose growing firm. It was my original basic 'bible' on the subject and I still refer to it quite often.)

Comtesse :¬)

PS Did a quick Google check and found an interesting variety of techniques suggested; one that sounded as if it might be especially good for hot areas/weather was adding plenty of ice to the water, renewing regularly - several commentators swore by this one.

Has anyone else got other/ better tips?

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kublakan

Nice pic. I love this rose.

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