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Karen, it is killing my pocketbook as well ! I should be setting aside money for mulch and to pay someone for a little help clearing my new beds. And I order in increments of four because for some reason I feel like that makes the shipping worth it ! I have one order to place with brushwood for some honeysuckle and Clematis , and I swear that's it . Unless someone has a sale ! :)
I received La France from them about ten days ago and it's already in the ground since our winters are so mild. It's already sprouting new little shoots and leaves. Fortunately it rained shortly after it was planted and I've mulched it well so it should take off soon. I hope yours do too. The second rose you show does seem a little on the skimpy side, but I think with a little time it also should do well. If you don't see new growth after some time and with good care, you can always contact the seller and have your money returned.
..with roses it seems, it often takes more than two to tango... but a couple of lineages I like very much would be these...
...if you like an old fashioned type, albeit rather thorny all the way through..
'Baronne Prevost' >> 'Comte de Chambord' >>'Gertrude Jekyll'...
...for a more modern floribunda look..
'New Dawn'/'Silver Jubilee' both great roses >> bred the equally brilliant pink shrub 'Armada'...which combined with one of the great hybrid musks 'Cornelia' produced >> 'Octavia Hill'.... a really very good modern rose...
A rose would be gorgeous on that trellis! I have Blaze and it is a once bloomer basically. I get one big flush in the spring that lasts a couple of weeks and then maybe one or two lone blooms here and there the rest of the season. Blaze Improved is supposed to be a repeat bloomer so it should bloom in flushes the whole season. They're both rated to zone 6 and mine winters quite well so it should for you too. For climbers you don't want to cut them way back if you don't have to. Only prune off dead wood and clean up the plant for shape in the spring.
Pascali, when happy, can have beautiful foliage. It can have very nice show HT form and has done well on show tables in the past. It just typically lacks size compared to other HTs. It is a good arranger's rose and has a long vase life. It is capable of putting on a nice show in the garden.
Certainly not close to you but I have several vigorosa's Even up here some can spread more than three feet. They stay at 3' in height. So far Innocencia is the smallest. I do have one Kordes thats a bitty rose. Bought as a balconia it's Little Chap aka (Knirps). It's also an ADR rose and about 18"x 18". I've had it for around 8 years. It blooms non stop all year. Blooms are tiny and deep crimson fading slightly to a pink shade. I find that my Kordes roses get as large here as they do in the south. In some cases perhaps larger.
They tend to get wide if you don't prune. The year I took those pictures, I didn't get to prune them before they budded out and then I couldn't bear to . They don't get tall, but they can put out long arching canes. If you prune them once a year, they will stay about 3x3
The right rose for the right spot is always the best but I know how you feel. I love my HTs and I enjoy exhibiting so I'll continue to grow them. You shouldn't despair yet on them. If you've sunk the grafts below ground even if you have to cut off black sticks to the soil they should still grow back for you. I had to take all my HTs back to nubs last spring and they grew back and bloomed beautifully in time for my June show!
No. Actually, according to HMF, Betty Cuthbert is a shrub with "arching habit", which probably does mean it has rambler genes in it. I am not surprised that alyong found it described as a "rambling/shrub". But, It is modern and thus repeat blooming.
Traditionally the term rambler has been used for once blooming roses which tend to have a delicate look, but climb high. I have attached a picture of my vielchenblau - it is a rambler. "Large Flowered Climbers" is a designation given to more robust roses which climb - many of them are climbing sports of HTs. Of course, if just the term "climber" is used, it could mean any rose which climbs.
this is a pretty decent article from colorado state on horticultural oil:
CO state article on horticultural oil
Everyone in my area (zone 5) that grew it, lost it over last year's cold winter, so its not very winter hardy (no worries for Hawaii :). Don't believe it is very prolific in the bloom department. Pruning a little on the low side may encourage more basal canes and blooms... Sure has a lovely fragrance, one thing going for it!
There was a house in the SF Valley that had a 3-Sided hedge of Simplicity. The Good Lord knows how many plants there were, but they were all planted 6-8 inches apart ... which almost no one ever did, but that's how it worked best. That hedge was a traffic stopper. I was heartbroken when both house and hedge were bulldozed to make way for a very mundane apartment building.
Do your neighbors use round up?
SoCal, in the desert.