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buford(7 NE GA)



I just bought this little 'greenhouse' of peat pelletts. I am going to use it to start some cuttings. It's small, so I will have to cut the canes shorter than usual. But worth a shot.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 3:39PM
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ngardener123(5a)

Thanks a lot Buford, for the detailed information. I followed your instruction and let's see what will happen.
There is an interesting finding today, when I was transferring one of my bare root roses, I found one cane which is in "check" shape got new root on the lowest part. Because I buried the rose too deep, the lowest part of the cane and bud joint were buried inside the soil. I guess if I separate the cane from the plant, I will get a new rose. This cane is a new sprout that started after I planted the whole thing in a pot. Therefore, I thought a new way to propagate rose. Burying part of a sprout into the soil without cutting it off and let it root underneath. This way, there is no need for covers and peat pellets.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 10:45PM
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Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev

If you like damask scent arizsun, you might like to try something I bought at Target, Botanic's Rosewater Toning Spritz, 100% Organic. It was developed with plant extracts from Kew Royal Botanic Gardens. It smells heavenly!!! Very strong damask fragrance. Ingredients: Aqua (water), Alcohol denat, Glycerin, Rosa damascena flower oil, Citronellol.

I grow both Rose de Rescht and Pickering Four Seasons. Both have wonderful scent, but both are also smallish plants and don't climb. RdR has the better rebloom.

I have a magnificent damask with a powerful fragrance called York and Lancaster which I've grown for over 20 years in partial shade (bottom of plant in full shade, top of plant in full sun most of the day). It is now up on my roof but would only be able to climb with lots of support (wants to be floppy). However there is zero rebloom.

You might want to try Portland from Glendora. Wonderful, strong scent. This rose has fairly good rebloom and is quite willing to climb. If you want a headstart in getting it to a large size, I would suggest buying from Antique Rose Emporium in Texas. The shipping can be expensive but that is because they send out such big plants. One of my favorite vendors.

Comtesse O'Gorman is a hybrid perpetual that has a heavy, dreamy scent and climbing tendencies. I don't think it is in commerce at present unfortunately. It is red though, not pink.

Cl. Chrysler Imperial is another worth considering, if you can find it. It's a climbing hybrid tea with powerful fragrance and a liking for heat. Very good rebloom. I had 2 that perished in a wildfire in 2003. I have been unable to find replacements. :(

Another suggestion that you can look up on HelpMeFind is Yolande d'Aragon (I've seen it grow much taller than HMF indicates),

Or check out the damask/portland roses at Greenmantle Nursery and give Marissa a call there. She is very knowledgeable.

Melissa

Here is a link that might be useful: Damask and Portland Roses at Greenmantle

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 4:18PM
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Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev

I forgot one, Stanwell Perpetual, I guess because I think of it more of as a spinosissima since it has the tiny leaves typical of the class. Flowers are all damask in looks and perfume to me. HMF says it is only moderately fragrant. Not in my garden. Here, the fragrance is quite strong. I have 2 plants of it. One is over 5 feet tall at around 3 years old and showing signs now of getting much bigger. This one is from Heirloom Roses in Oregon and has been blooming almost continuously since January. Blooms are a pale pink that fades to white in intense sun. I have another one of the same age from Rogue Valley Roses. This one is only maybe one foot tall and rarely blooms. A dud.

Melissa

Here is a link that might be useful: Stanwell Perpetual on HMF

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 4:30PM
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seil zone 6b MI

The thing you have to remember is that a lot of the things we've traditionally been taught for decades about growing roses are changing as new technology and research has developed. Like a lot of aspects of our lives times change with new knowledge. So much scientific research has been done now on exactly how the plants grow and react to pathogens that many of the old ways are now being updated. But some people are quicker to accept new things than others so the old methods persist in being put out there. It doesn't mean that one way is all wrong or another is all right. It just means there is more than one way to do any of it. Like I said before, experiment and do what works best for you and your roses.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 5:49PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Water on the foliage will cause blackspot to germinate if it stays wet for around 8 hours. So don't wet the foliage in the evenings.

Hosing down the foliage does help control mildew, but mildew is not usually a problem in the East except for maritime New England. I don't do it because it wastes water.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 3:47PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

No I have not seen any around here yet.
I did find the below article though...

Here is a link that might be useful: Sweet Spot Roses

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 3:44PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Well, good :) That makes me feel better.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 2:21PM
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charleney(8a PNW)

I am glad you sprayed the fungicide..I have never had it hurt my roses

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 3:27PM
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charleney(8a PNW)

If you unfurl the leaves, you may find webbing, or leaf roller . It protects itself and feeds on the leaves. I think it may form a caterpillar. If I find them, I squish the leaves and remove them. I hope you don't get more infestation. The few I have found on my roses, have not proliferated much. But of course, I do not know about your zone.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2014 at 9:56AM
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jaspermplants

I would leave the trellis where it is (doesn't look too close to me) and I'd put a small stake (like a bamboo one, you can find them at Home Depot,etc) next to the rose, leaning to the trellis. Then I'd tie the cane on that and train it towards the trellis. When it finally reaches the trellis, you can take out the stake.

I have trellis' everywhere in my yard and do this kind of thing all the time.

Good luck!

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 10:25PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Thanks :)

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 11:04PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Three years. I think that might just be what to expect from any rose.
Three years for 5g pots to spread their roots and amaze. Three years for bareroots to build their roots and amaze. Three years for bands to build their roots and frame work to amaze.

The hard part is waiting those three years.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 9:22PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 10:33PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

My Tropicanas have looked especially lovely this spring.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 8:01PM
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DNTQuilter

My Tropicana took a hard hit this winter, but is bouncing back. Only problem I have is powdery mildew every so often.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 9:26PM
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Marylou921

TG has been in my garden for over 6 years, it rarely bloom, I spent so much $$$ fertilizing to encourage bloom but instead it grow so large and healthy but never give an abundant flowers. Anyone please advice.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 4:33PM
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lori_elf z6b MD

My Teasing Georgia took a hit this winter with some damage but is filling out again. In most years she grows 6' tall and about 5' wide here, self-supporting. I would say that now she's mature she repeat blooms very well.

Marylou, if yours is growing large but not blooming, maybe you are overfeeding it too much nitrogen? I give mine some Rosetone in early spring which is a balanced organic fertilizer, but that's the only fertilizing I usually do. And it repeat blooms wells after a good first flush.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 9:04PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Good job MacGyvering!

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 7:55PM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

Seil,

What size pot do you recommend for roses?

Graham Thomas in a pot for five years, that's impressive!

Lynn

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 10:18AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Thanks Lynn! The pot GT was in was about 24 inches across and maybe 20 inches deep and shaped more like a cauldron than a flower pot. So it was just as wide at the bottom as the top. Since then I've gotten some even larger ones. I shop for the biggest pots I can find. It helps cut down on how often I have to root prune but the bigger they are the more soil around them for protection in the winter too. The other thing is the wind. I'm on the lake and there are always good stiff breezes blowing. I've had problems with some of the taller ones tipping in the wind if the pot isn't large enough and heavy enough to hold them. All that vertical cane and leaves acts just like a sail in the wind and blows them over. That's also why I like the wider bottomed pots best. They're less tippy.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 5:37PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Glad to hear you had some successes, Zack, and sorry about the losses. Yep, I know it doesn't seem like it but you do have to water them during the winter even though they are dormant. It seems to make a big difference in their survival. I'll be looking forward to seeing pics of that Irish Fireflame in bloom!

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 5:04PM
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jacqueline9CA

I agree that what you have is the same rose you rooted and planted. To say that a rose is "rootstock" only makes sense if it is coming up from the roots of a grafted rose.

Otherwise, it is just a plant of whatever rose it is. Whether or not that rose has been used for rootstock at some time is irrelevant. I presume you rooted the climbing rose because you liked it. If it has 7 leaflets, that does NOT mean that it is "rootstock", it just means that it is a rose which has 7 leaflets, most of which are old roses.

Has it bloomed since you planted it? When you rooted it, did the cutting you rooted have a bloom on it that you liked? If you rooted a cutting that did not have a bloom on it, it is theoretically possible that you rooted a rose that was not the rose you wanted. If it did have a bloom on it that you liked, that is the rose you got.

Let it bloom, and any possible confusion will be resolved.
Whatever it is, it is growing on its own roots now, so what you see is what it is. It will bloom the same as it has ever bloomed since you planted it. Please post a picture on here, and someone will probably be able to identify it for you.

Here is a picture of a rose that WAS originally rootstock on a modern rose. I had dug up the modern rose, because I didn't like it. Up came this one, to my delight. It has 7 leaflets. It is one of my most favorite roses - gorgeous, very fragrant, and a climber.

Jackie

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 12:53PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Interesting, Jacqueline. Do you think your pink rose is De La Grifferaie? It is used as rootstock.

Here is a link that might be useful: De La Grifferaie

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 3:39PM
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HollyKline

I get mine on Amazon and have had uniformly good experiences with them. They usually come with directions on how to release them, which is really simple. They're super fun to watch, and if you're lucky they'll lay eggs and you get another round of them later.

Funny note - this year's batch was super, super horny. There will be a LOT of babies this year. :) I have been cracking jokes about it for days.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 1:07PM
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Maude80

I totally agree with everyone about the ladybugs. Last year, all of my poor roses were covered with aphids and I did not want to spray insecticide. So, I purchased 5,000 ladybugs from ebay and they went to war for me.

Now, one year later, I'm not seeing any aphids so I'm hoping the ladybugs are still around, even though I don't see them either.

And yes, I've seen quite a few ladybugs doing the deed right out in public.... they have no discretion..

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 3:06PM
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