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Bare roots: Palatine for sure. Regan Nurseries has perhaps the largest selection of bare roots - mostly modern varieties, mostly grafted. Witherspoon is another resource, less selection but I'm often surprised to discover they have hard to find varieties. David Austin is pricey, but good quality and they sell several non-DA roses. I'd avoid Edmunds because of their habit of shipping too late, which is too bad because they have nice selection and their roses are reasonable quality if you could just get them in the ground a few weeks earlier.
Own roots, I highly recommend High Country Roses and Northland Rosarium for their specialization of cold hardy roses and good sized healthy plants. Many nurseries that sell own root plants offer only bands and with our short growing season that can be a gamble. I have had some good luck with bands of very hardy roses, especially from Heirloom. They have a great selection and under the new owner ship they're offering many varieties in larger size.
Locally, I like Roseland in Acushnet, MA and Unacanoonuc in Goffstown, NH. Maybe try Corliss Brothers in Ipswich, MA.
Thank y'all! I won't deadhead any more this year, then.
Seil, that's interesting about growing them on for seeds. I hadn't thought of that. I do mostly like them for fall/winter ornament and for the wildlife to eat, but I'm glad you pointed it out.
A lot of this is going to depend on how hardy the particular rose is. For example, I've planted a baby John Cabot in the fall without any problems. I've also planted a lot of bareroot gallicas in the fall. They don't seem to respond to temperature cues, but day length, so they aren't fooled by warm spells.
Basically, this thread is about hybrid teas and their ilk.
Everyone is correct - it totally depends on the specific climate where you are. Here in No California, we enjoy a Mediterranean climate, which means LONG (usually 7-8 months with NO rain) warm or hot Summers, and cool but above freezing wet winters.
So, everybody plants everything here in the Fall. Landscaping projects of any kind, planting roses, bulbs, anything. That way they get to enjoy months of mild temperatures and rain, before the dry season starts.
Jackie
We had this done, years ago, and yes -- they said plants right up against the house would need to be removed, or might die as a result of seeping chemicals.
The only thing we had in jeopardy was creeping fig, which I WANTED to kill. In fact, I cut the d*mned stuff off at the "roots," to make sure. I figured that, when the tent came off, the fig climbing on the house would be dead.
NO SUCH LUCK. The chemicals didn't bother the stuff at all. In fact I believe they fed on it.
Jeri
I was told when we tented Mom & Dad's house was to absolutely soak the soil around the plants, as the gas getting to the root system is what kills them. Wet soil prevents the gas from going much into the soil. We did soak. The established plants were all fine. A few newly planted ones were dead within a day. I have no conclusions about that to offer--just my experience.
Roses in the house will be ruined by spider mites unless you fight them constantly. Even so, the plants will be unhappy.
Another way to winter potted roses in zone 6 is to push them against the south or east foundation and pile leaves around the pot. When very cold temperatures impend, add some more leaves over the pot, but expose the canes during mild spells so they don't stay wet.
After a bloom, snap off, " deadhead" that spent bloom. The pods, or hips, only allowed in the fall when he is going dormant.
Forming a hip or seed pod, zaps the energy needed to continue blooming elsewhere on the plant during the growing season. Differs with different roses so just a generalization. But I would nip off those pods for now.
Beautiful plant! I have a Tess that is 5-6 years old, planted in the ground against a big fan trellis. This rose has done wonderfully well - free of disease, blooms some even in our hot Texas summers. Its thorny, but a really, good healthy rose. Am sure those leaves are just no longer of use to the plant - I don't worry that my roses have to have totally perfect leaves - if they are growing, blooming and have most their leaves - I am happy. I think you will really enjoy Tess when you get her situated in the ground - give her plenty of room to spread out - she will delight you with lots of blooms!
Judith
Rainbow Niagra, I think!
Here is a link that might be useful: Rainbow Niagra
Nastarana, the leaves are not at all like Peace and I know what you mean, as I also grow Peace in my rose beds. HollyKline, nope, that is not her. I am going to stick with Tahitian Sunset as that is what her tag says. Just got a unique but beautiful set of striped blooms from her.
Yep, Thegardenat902, if you're around Des Moines then all of these roses should work fine for you. You get a little more moisture than we do in an average summer, but we have generally similar weather.
As for Ramblin' Red, it sounds like you got a great deal on a healthy rose. Make sure to water it in well planting it as late in the season as this, but an established plant that's super hardy as this one is should be no problem. I like mine OK, but it's in a part shade region of my yard and isn't as impressive as the same rose in other people's yards. For me, Quadra and Illusion are more reliable rebloomers, but you have a good spot picked out for you and it should work well. Just be sure to tie the canes on horizontally as soon as possible on your fence, as this one has pretty stiff thorny canes.
Have fun and send pictures!
Cynthia
Thanks. I had wondered if they were Japanese Beetles. I wasn't sure though because they were so small. I thought JB's were bigger and not as shiny looking.
I have read on some forums that even though they may eat all the leaves, the rose plant will continue living. The one plant they got to first has no leaves left, but I think there are a few new shoots about to come out. Will the plants survive if I do nothing? Or will the JB's kill them entirely?
They'll survive! The only concern would be weak or teeny roses, where they can't afford to lose so many leaves.
If you have that few (it is really few, sadly), then hand-pick them to squish, let die in an old water bottle, plop into a soapy bucket, etc. I usually go the water bottle route (before the droves come). Then I just throw it away with them contained in it. I usually recycle, but one water bottle compared to pesticides should even out ;) I hide it with their dying bodies inside and use it again the next day, too, but that gets smelly after a while! Don't say you weren't warned :D
Palatine Nursery, look at the "Fairy Tale" series (Roses Unlimited also has a few varieties). I have Caramel Fairy Tale and Floral Fairy Tale, neither variety requires more than fertilizing and watering. No blackspot on these at all.
Palatine sells bare root roses. For PA, you would order them next month when Palatine opens (September 8th), for delivery and planting in late March/early April.
If you are located in SE PA, send me an email, I can point you to some Consulting Rosarians who can help.
Thanks for all the great suggestions. I'll be busy looking up websites.
Diane - I'm in SW PA.