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I think, having removed as many yellow leaves as possible and tossing them into the garbage can, and having pruned away weak canes to make more air circulation possible on the Strike It Rich rose, that I will adopt the "wait and see" position. Thus far, the vast majority of the rose bushes is still green.

The yellow leaves are primarily at the bottom of the bushes. The Easy Does It rose bush has much bushier growth because I did corrective pruning on it for the 3 years I've had it. I will have to do the same to the Strike It Rich rose bush, as I only got it this spring. It consists of a base of old brown cane from which spring many green canes, most of them weak. I had to prop up a lot of the canes while they bore flowers. Now that the weak canes finished flowering and have no more buds, I trimmed them off to allow more air circulation. I trimmed off any crossing canes. Right now, there is ONE big long cane growing off the base of old brown canes which is flowering nicely. The other green canes growing off the old brown cane base are done with flowering, and I deadheaded them. If they were really spindly, the whole cane came off, into the garbage can.

I really hope that next spring, the Strike It Rich rose bush will have a lot better, stronger canes than it did initially. Despite that, I have been utterly delighted with the beauty of the flowers, as have many of my neighbors. It bloomed a LOT, and the amber-yellow flowers streaked with red are breathtakingly gorgeous.

It is also possible that some (all?) of those yellow leaves are just old leaves that the bush is getting set to shed in order to make room for new leaves. Rose bushes are known to do that from time to time.

And I agree with you--don't rush into spraying for BS until you determine how much of a problem your rose will or will not have with it. We'll hope this was a one time outbreak only.

Kate

We have a own root Mister Lincoln. Very slow to bloom and doesn't bloom at all when fall cooler weather arrives here...
But I keep him because for whatever reason he does not get blackspot and that's rare for here...
He gets no mildew here either and his blooms do smell great...

BUT I still must suggest you get/try another rose besides ML...

OH CRAP! I just noticed this was a old thread... :-/

This post was edited by jim1961 on Fri, Aug 15, 14 at 21:34

Old thread, so what? We've all got something to say about this rose. My two cents is as follows: fragrant, fragrant, fragrant. Double Delight is the only HT I've got with more fragrance. That said, he is a stingy bloomer -- maybe half a dozen all year.
I have Don Juan as well, and that is shaping up to be a better looking, more productive bush (and also sublimely odiferous). On the other hand, however, a rose garden without Mr. Lincoln is ... well ... not really complete. IMHO.
Sylvia

I'm in Sri Lanka where the temperature can't ever go any lower than 26 C and no there're no animals in my yard because it's well fenced. The plant looks too young to prune but I'll give it a shot

You don't need to prune it just take off the chewed tips down to just above a leaf set. The plant will start to grow from the leaf set area.

Please attach photos. Ideally close-ups of affected damage.

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It feels quite "Chrysler Imperial" to me. Kim

Thanks! My first impression, too. Her oldies were gorgeous & so fragrant.

The young cuttings' blooms aren't characteristic in form or color yet, but smell wonderful.

I think I agree with Jackie, Stan. This picture looks very much like one of TS's variations to me. I also think the striped one could be just another variation of TS caused by any number of variables in the weather. Or it could be a sport! I've had a few odd ball blooms show up this year on my roses. It was a crazy winter, many of the roses were severely damaged and had to be pruned to nothing, even the summer has been unusual, all of which could be causing these mutations to show up in blooms.

Thank you all for the input. Thanks so much Jackie and Seil. I am glad the rosebush still had the tag on it buried under the gravel mulch. Last year I don't remember her having blooms with the pronounced stripes but it has been a weird weather year. And it could be that one side of this old bush has actually form a Sport. Thanks again soooo much! :)

Rust and mildew are entirely different matters. Baby Love has extreme vertical resistance to some black spot strains. But once they mutate and figure out how to "pick the lock", it collapses and frequently dies. As long as it remains resistant, it's remarkable. That strong vertical resistance is what is hoped to be bred into further roses, combined with as great a horizontal resistance as possible.

Vertical resistance relies upon one gene for protection. Horizontal resistance depends upon multiple genes. Each type can provide protection against one, or numerous strains and both can be combined in a single seedling. Finding which are present in the parents; selecting the best parents to mate; then selecting the seedlings with the greatest combination of the resistance types are the issues. Hopefully, as money becomes available, invitro testing will become possible and affordable so these questions can be answered. Kim

This chance seedling was found at the Huntington, it's a seedling that they are thinking to release commercially.
It's called '09MKB-1'.

You're welcome! Oh, yeah! Roses change DRAMATICALLY with climate and season. I've seen roses I've grown for years in other climates and asked what in the world they were. What's really embarrassing is when you've given someone a piece of a rose in a different climate and then ask them what that gorgeous rose they have is. "I got it from YOU!" OK. I'd wondered for a long time how they bred anything from Rosarium Uetersen. In my inland, valley heat, there are no sexual parts. The entire flower is usually packed completely full of petals and petaloids. The color is also a neon, poster paint coral pink. Then, I saw it along the coast...pastel coral with three or four rows of petals and an enormous center of lush, golden anthers full of pollen and a stigma crying out for the taking. I asked a friend what it was and she looked at me as if I had twenty heads. She bought the thing from ME at the nursery I managed back then, but I had never seen it grown in the cool, damp, only the hot and dry. That's why identifying roses from a photo taken in conditions you're unfamiliar with is so bloody difficult, unless the rose is so unusually distinct, nothing else could come close to looking like it. Enjoy! Kim

Kim is right, it's a red carpet. I have a few of them, but my dark pink carpet roses for some reason bloom much more than the red ones, their re-bloom speed is more like Knockout roses. I also have some very light pink (almost white) carpet roses, very pretty, but they don't repeat well in my garden.

I have had Jim Sproul's Eyeconic Pink Lemonade for 3 years now and I love it. It has great rebloom and is very healthy for me. It's also remarkably winter hardy. Which was in question early on because of the Rosa Persica in it's background.

I got Bulls Eye late last season and it never bloomed for me so I was a little surprised that it came back after that bad winter. It's planted in the ground now and putting on a lot of growth and has bloomed a couple of times. It's been healthy so far. Of the two I still like EPL the best because BE fades out to almost white really fast.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I have a tropical garden blog if anyone is interested (shameless plug):

http://trinigarden.blogspot.com/

Ah, Bayourose- you just made my day!! I have done a lot of mid-summer planting of roses in my zone, Heather, and sadly I only get winter survival on substantial sized pots anything after about June. I can plant Roses Unlimited gallons from their July sale without particular problems, but we don't get reliable snow cover and even with protection bands are simply not feasible for me this late in the year.

After last frost, however....now THAT I can order with a clear conscience!!

Off to blow my weekly budget...
Cynthia

Glad to help out a fellow rose lover! He he! Just think of the sale as getting two for the price of one. I can always find a way to justify buying roses. Smiles.

I can't really say about the business-end of David Austin's business nor about any other company/business, but I can say that to me, Austin roses are NOT " those bloated and frilly monsters." They are still my favorite category of roses--though I like a lot of other kinds of roses also.

Kate

Susan I think death takes a few years. The ones in downtown Franklin that I was watching were going on 3 years before they finally dug them out because they got so ugly. The multiflora seem to hang on for a least that long as well.

I've linked a story that was circulating locally last year. It might help you with your neighbor.

Here is a link that might be useful: Mid Tn RRD story

We did not get all that heavy rain, thank goodness! We did get an inch or two I believe. I think my roses were not getting enough water, as soon as I spotted the brown leaves I watered them really well. Now I know they'll be fine, they're looking better already. Thanks

Once you have corrected the underwatering and overspraying, then just remove the ugliest of the leaves--and they will look like brand new roses again. : )

Kate

"Although California has many different species of root-feeding nematodes, the most damaging ones to gardens are the root knot nematodes, Meloidogyne species. Root knot nematodes attack a wide range of plants, including many common vegetables, fruit trees, and ornamentals. They are difficult to control, and they can spread easily from garden to garden in soil on tools and boots or on infested plants. "

H. Kuska comment: I wonder how many people that think (or are being told in this forum) that they have "heat" problems with their roses actually have root knot nematode problems?

"Aboveground symptoms of a root knot nematode infestation include wilting during the hottest part of the day even with adequate soil moisture, loss of vigor, yellowing leaves, and other symptoms similar to a lack of water or nutrients. Infested vegetable plants grow more slowly than neighboring, healthy plants, beginning in early to midseason. Plants produce fewer and smaller leaves and fruits, and ones heavily infested early in the season can die. Damage is most serious in warm, irrigated, sandy soils."

See:

http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7489.html

Here is a link that might be useful: link for above

It was inevitable..... since rose growing in Africa is essentially just more of the same intensive agricultural ecocide which puts short term profits over long-term soil husbandry.