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kublakan

Your question reminds me of the time and effort I put into working with body bag roses. In the past I would just write off a rose if it was a one cane "wonder" (as in I wonder when it will decided to grow). This year I put everything I've learned over the years into my small collection and I have to tell you that I'm almost at a 100% success rate (damn Double Delight just sits there mocking me with it's green bare cane). So how does this apply to your situation? Treat your Firefighter like you would a bodybag rose. Give it plenty of water, trim it back a bit, and apply alfalfa tea and KMag. Give the roots your primary attention, not the plant, and it'll begin to grow. You may also want to consider applying a root promoting liquid soluble fertilizer.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 6:30AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

I appreciate all this good advice, thanks everyone. I like the idea of planting another similar or same variety rose close to it, Kublakan, thanks so much for your suggestions.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 4:33PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I think Jeri would know for sure. Maybe you could give her a PM.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 3:53PM
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Beth9116 zone 8a TX

Very good talk. I heard him speak at our county extension February meeting. He dispels some myths. The amount of devastation in his personal garden is painful to see.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 3:45PM
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Adrianne(7b Georgia)

Aaaahh! Beautiful! Thanks for the photos! It's getting me even more excited for our 1st spring flush here, which is still a few weeks away.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 8:50AM
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floridarosez9

My larks didn't get as tall as usual, either, due to the high temps we had in March. They started setting buds instead of getting taller. Your bouquets are just beautiful.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 2:23PM
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

If you do wait till September to order online, make sure you do it right away. Many of the popular roses sell out day one. It's like ordering the iPhone day one.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 3:44AM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Thanks Buford for the shopping tip! :-) Will do. I really want one Jenny Duval for some reason, it sold out.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 7:48AM
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cecily(7 VA)

Grass fertilizer would be much cheaper than bloodmeal but bloodmeal will give a slower release which is ideal for Gary's bareroots. I would be concerned about using large quantities of bloodmeal if he has a dog or if his garden is visited by raccoons.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 4:29AM
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9B; SUNSET ZONE = 18 --- RIVERSIDE, CA (USA))

I did have a soil test done. It said to:

a. add nitrogen (but not phosphorous or potassium).

b. decrease the pH from 7.1 to 6.5

Should I incorporate blood meal (12-0-0) and/or Ammonium Sulfate (21-0-0) in the soil?

    Bookmark   March 31, 2015 at 6:19AM
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densiemill

I can only tell you that Oklahoma did great for me in Georgia in full sun.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 3:11PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

I received Firefighter last May and it didn't make it through my southern California summer. I replaced it with Oklahoma, because I saw that it did well in my friend's garden. It's doing great for me so far and we are having a heat wave this week. I've read that Oklahoma does well in dry heat, not humid. I'm sure the Firefighter would have been a great rose, if it could have made it through until it matured. I think the Firefighter should get the cooler spot.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 5:09PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I forgot that 'Marie Pavie' was mentioned. It's bullet-proof for me -- was the first to bloom in Spring 2014, and among the last in Autumn. Also, it maintained relatively clean foliage without fungicides. I say "relatively" because in my area, virtually every rose will get at least a little by late Summer into Autumn.

:-)

~Christopher

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kaesgarden(Wa Cascades Zone 7)

Thanks Christopher,

I've been goggling it and the little beauty is already on it's way so i have to find a way to make it work to the best that i can. Here's wishing me good luck! :)

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 4:16PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Congratulations! Sounds like you did a terrific job. Give Peace a chance (lol, pun intended)!. Not all roses grow at the same rate. It might just be a slower grower than the others. Once it settles in and grows some more roots it will take off.

1 Like    Bookmark   Thanked by Christen McClintock    March 30, 2015 at 9:47AM
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ozmelodye

Read Pappu's stinking mess and Dog in Elk last night and nearly killed myself laughing. Unfortunately, I was reading in bed. Dog and husband were not impressed!

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 7:05AM
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ozmelodye

Forgot to mention, after reading Suicidal Gardenia, I totally ignore mine AND IT WORKS!!!

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 7:09AM
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erasmus_gw

Thanks, hoovb. It's good to know it can do well own root. I might try again with the regular version someday.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 5:32AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Add that climbing sports of hybrid teas often don't perform as well as the non-climbing versions.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2015 at 6:43AM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Steve, just out of curiosity, does your RdV have red stipules? Is it lightly prickly? And do you remember where you got yours? It resembles the version I got from Heirloom, but Jeri's pic resembles the version I got from Vintage Gardens.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:45PM
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deervssteve(9)

I got mine about 25 years ago. Most of my roses were from Hortico or Pickering and I bought some old garden roses at the A celebration of old roses show in El Cerrito. I also bought a few from Northern California nurseries that sold old garden roses. My rose looks like the picture. I don't remember red, but I have a few buds that I can check again when they open.

I was very serious about roses until I planted so many that I got the deer's attention. RDV got eaten every year but survived. Three years ago I made an attempt to protect it using deer repellant and that worked for a year. I banished it from what I call my A garden which is small, gets lots of sun and is close to the house. That garden is for roses that have good shape, foliage and repeat. My RDV lacked that.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 8:57PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Roses will withstand temps to about 28 degrees without much damage. When it dips below that there can be cell damage. The longer time below 28 the more damage done. As well as the further below 28 that you get too. A few hours between 28 and 32 shouldn't do a great deal of harm.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 5:48PM
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roserich

Thanks for the info Ann. I've been wondering about this lately...unfortunately. Susan

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 8:51PM
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Jim_in_AV

So, my WWII Memorial, not being content to put out the first flush of the season, is sending out shoots for a SECOND flush.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 6:43PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Jim, it's a beautiful rose! Looks like such a good bloomer.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:16PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

I grow Amethyst Falls :) It has blooms that look more like the shape of a grape cluster, not as long and pointed as the 'bad' kinds. Mine has been very mannerly, although it did spread one tendril under the mulch (years ago, apparently) that made a new one about 8 feet away! In my case that works perfectly, be still beware :D It does not have a pleasant scent to my nose. A little pungent, actually, like a weed or non-tasty herb. But it's still gorgeous! It re-blooms some, too.

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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

e596423, a pot that doesn't touch the soil might work, but you'd still want it to be the Japanese or American kind and not Chinese. I'd be happy to send you a rooted Amethyst Falls for postage, actually :) Then you wouldn't have to worry about that at all and you could still enjoy your wisteria practically wherever you'd like to put it!

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:00PM
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