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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

I'd wait. The forsysthia is still blooming, so it is still early. It will probably all be cut down anyway, but waiting will give you a clearer idea of what to do.

Once upon a time, I did some late fall pruning. Something happened, and I didn't get the clippings all picked up. When I found them the next spring, they were still green and flexible.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 9:45AM
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seil zone 6b MI

You don't have to cut it all off at once. Take off anything you know is dead now and give them a couple more weeks to see what may start to bud out and then take off the rest. I usually end up having to do this every year because on the first round I tend to err on the side of caution and leave things that look iffy. Then once it gets warmer and they start to really grow I can see that they need further pruning and where they need to get cut back more.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 12:02PM
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HollyKline

Thanks! So far he's doing quite well, and I am in love with the fragrance. Susan, I'll take that advice - I appreciate it.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 10:13AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, it's beautiful! I wish my HD got stuff like that. We were there yesterday and the only tree roses they had were KNOCK OUTS! Yuck!

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 11:59AM
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jameya(zone 5/ central indiana)

Thanks for all the advice and explaining!!
Buford...what is the difference between grafted and rooted and how can you tell which is which?? Is there an easy was to tell at the store before I buy them what is what?? And is grafted or rooted easier to grow?? I just started out last fall with flowers and have went crazy with roses this year. So happy thoughts!! This rose is right by my steps up to my front porch and it faces south east ish, does that matter?? There are no trees in my yard, and the girl next door does have a large mature tree so I'm trying to figure out if it got enough sun there?? My other rose I planted last year is about 4 feet away on the other side and is looking green and healthy. Also I did spray them both last year with sevin spray because I think some sort of beetle started eating them and when I took some leaves to the store they said the holes in the leaves looked like japenese beetle maybe?? I'm just trying to figure out what I could of done wrong and that way I don't loose another if I plant it in the same exact spot.
Thanks for baring with me and all the info. I washed the cutters last night and in a few minutes I will go out and slowly cut a cane or two just to see if it looks like what hoovb said. I'm thinking it might be a goner as well because my other one has pretty leaves and green and red while this is just some brown sticks :(

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 11:31AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I agree, do what hoov suggests. And it wouldn't hurt to wait a bit either. In zone 5 I'm betting it's still been pretty cold there and the soil hasn't warmed up enough yet to kick start the rose into growing.

It isn't a problem to prune in stages. Take off the really obviously dead stuff at the top. Wait a couple weeks and trim some more. Then wait a couple more weeks and see if the bud eyes are beginning to swell. Once you see those you can tell just how far down you'll need to prune.

If you have to cut those canes off completely that still doesn't mean the roses is dead. I have several out there that are pretty much just stumps but I can see there is new growth starting to come from the graft area at the base. I think this is a year where a lot of my roses will get to completely "rejuvenate", lol!

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 11:45AM
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roseseek

I realize this is quite climate specific, but I agree with you Kate about not calling Eden "disease resistant". While it did appear to resist mildew to a decent extent, black spot was an issue and the thing rusts here like an old iron skillet. At the beach, even the moldy flower petals rusted unless routinely sprayed. It CAN be drop dead gorgeous...if you can find the right climate and situation for it. I haven't found that yet. I've also never encountered one which could even remotely be considered "lower prickle count", much less "thornless". Kim

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 4:29PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Second Kim on the rejection of thornless or lower prickle count as accurate descriptions of Eden, at least as I experienced it here in the Midwest.

I don't have the mildew and rust problems, but anyone with Kim's environment, take note. As far as BS, I'd rank Eden, here in the Midwest, as slightly above average BS-resistance. Not terrible, but not awfully good either.

But those gorgeous blooms!

Kate

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 11:02AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Oooh, Vlatva looks gorgeous, and I see that Bierkreek offers it,too;I've ordered from them in the past. Also FilRoses may be an option; I've only ordered from companies that have several roses that I want,to save on shipping,and I seem to remember that their catalogue has a few others that interest me....bart

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 6:05AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

That's great Bart. I wish I could order their roses so easily.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 9:16AM
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onewheeler(Z5 N.S.)

I wish I had my rose list handy as there are many Austins that I have grown for years in my NS gardens. I just moved to a new location in NS but plan on digging out or replacing some of the best and oldest Austins that have survived the wind and salt spray and lack of snow in winter.

James Galaway was the first to come to mind as he is one of the biggest and most prolific of all of the Austins that I have grown. Charlotte, Teasing Georgia, Tradescant, Eglantyne, Crown Princess Margarete, The Dark Lady, Claire Rose, Alnwick Rose, Scepter'd Isle or just a few that pop in my mind as I type. I have over 100 roses in my old garden and had up to 235 in my previous one. I do not spray except for some dormant oil in the spring. I feed them alfalfa tea twice in the summer, seems to be their favorite food.

I hope you find some that perform well in your area as they are wonderful roses.

valerie

    Bookmark   March 2, 2014 at 6:46PM
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blackgavotte(5aNS)

Hello again, thanks so much for all the suggestions. I expect my two Albas from Cornhill to arrive by Monday, mailed last Monday apparently, but still not at my post office. Today I get the holes dug. I am loving the pictures of Polareis, and Wild Edric seems to be mentioned often. I'll see how these two, Queen of Denmark and Maiden's Blush, do first, if they don't do well, I'll probably call it a day for roses here, other than the rugosas I already have in the front.. just not as crazy over them as I was my Austins. I don't know if I can make peace with the once-blooming properties of the Albas either, but shall see. Happy gardening season, all. :D

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 7:48AM
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catsrose(VA 6)

Most Hybrid Teas, Floribundas, and Bourbons will blackspot without heavy spraying. Rugosas do not like the heat. They pout and do nothing or just shrivel away.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 7:16PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

I agree with Catsrose. When I changed from a spray to no spray, I ended up losing many beautiful roses. Many of the popular Buck roses needed spray. The worst for me are the ones that are unique in their beauty because they may have special blends of color. I recall Distant Drums, Frontier Twirl, and others with unique blends that I shovel pruned.

I had a theme of red and white in the front of my house. Prairie Star had to go. Europeana, Veterans Honor, Chrysler Emperior, Mister Lincoln, and many others needed to go.

Blackspot was a huge problem for me, but also the heat was a problem, and I live north of you. Some blow so fast in the heat that they are not fun to grow. I do no remember the names.

Many of us here also post on the Antique Forum where we discuss what works for us. I understand that you are asking what does not work. I have had bad luck with David Austin roses also.

Good luck. I hope this helps.

Sammy

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 6:13AM
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lynnette

Easy Does It, always gets gardeners top marks. Does well in most gardens. Here's a pic of mine.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 6:10PM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

I grew Livin Easy years ago. It was an excellent rose with a good repeat and nice coloring.

Lynn

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 9:31PM
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bellarosa(z5/IL)

I can vouch for: John Davis, John Cabot and William Baffin. They are all very hardy, ferocious (thorny) 10 feet climbers in my garden. I love the Kordes climbers - I have "Rosarium Uetersen", but it's more like a large shrub to 6 feet. I also have a huge climber that I believe is called, "That's Jazz" and it's over 9 feet tall. Other climbers in my yard that have only grown to 6-7 feet are:Darlow's Engima, Ramblin' Red and Colette. Hope this helps.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2014 at 2:00PM
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dani33

I am looking for two climbing roses...one for over an arbor in the entry to my yard and one is for a pergola in my yard. I am in z6 (MA) and I am looking for as disease resistant a rose as I can get cuz I won't be spraying them. I really love Eden, but I was told she isn't a repeat bloomer and can be susceptible to rust (or some other nasty). Stinks cuz I love that kind of rose. I was also looking a Zephrine Dourhin cuz she is supposed to be thornless, but I think she may get too big. I like Jasmina & Renae also. I just would like a rose that can grow well w/o spraying and that flowers a lot without having crazy thorns or trying to eat my arbor. Should I rub a lamp? Lol.
Also, I have been scouring for Pretty Jessica and only found her "banded". I am a newbie & have no idea what that means. Anyone have an idea? Ty in advance

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 9:02PM
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view1ny NY 6-7

Carol, hang in there. It wasn't that long ago that we had hail here in Brooklyn. I promise you that spring is on the way.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 5:50PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Carol, how many bloom cycles do you usually get per growing season? Good luck with your new ones.What did you get? Here's you something to laugh at: today I finally broke down and bought another Blue Girl! The bush looked sooo good... I sp'd 2 last year...just love those stingy blooms.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 7:24PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Perhaps a pet cougar......

Love your sense of humor.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 12:50PM
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charleney(8a PNW)

obviously waiting for you to 'Burp Her' after dining out!

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 5:22PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I don't think it's available in N. Amer. at all. Looks lovely!

Here is a link that might be useful: Amandine Chanel at HMF

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 3:00PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I can't think of anything that would get more black spot than Angel Face!

If you can find it I'd recommend Love Song. It had very good health for me last season and bloomed it's head off!

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 2:56PM
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Sylvia Weiser Wendel

Andreark,
I planted a Munstead Wood from Austin, bare-root, this year and had a short but lovely flush. I mean short -- we're talking two weeks.
I talked to a gal who gave a talk on Austins this past weekend at Otto & Sons Rose Days,and she said, "Munstead Wood is not a particularly vigorous rose." I don't mind if the bush stays small -- it's supposed to, and besides it's in a container -- but I sure would like more flowers.
Darcey Bussell, which I bought in a 3-gallon, has been blooming for 3 weeks with no sign of stopping, and its fragrance is almost as nice as Munstead's.
Oh and by the way, my Falstaffs (I have 2) haven't flowered once this year. Not once. They do get partial afternoon shade -- are yours in full sun?
Thanks,
Sylvia

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 10:12PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Andrea--so happy to hear that Munstead Wood came through. Although the pics of the lighter colored MWs were quite attractive, let's face it--what we really adore about MW is its dark moody but glowing shades. It will be interesting to hear whether other owners of MW who complained about lighter initial colors on it discovered the darker shades also as the rose matured.

My MW, planted in the garden, is not a weakling, but in fact quite vigorous for a shorter plant--and was quite prolific last summer. Hasn't bloomed yet this year--just a couple blooms on Home Run so far.

Enjoy your MW--one of the loveliest Austins in my garden and I hope in yours.

Kate

This post was edited by dublinbay on Fri, May 2, 14 at 22:12

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 2:15PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Or use some organic Plant-Tone or Rose-Tone (available at HD)--it has some alfalfa in it (may have some Epsom salts in it too--I don't remember right off hand). Spread out to the drip line, but not too close to the base. Water in well with a strong spray of water and cover with mulch.

Don't know about where you live, but in my area, you have to buy a 50 lb bag if you want alfalfa--so I started using the --Tone fertilizers instead since they have some alfalfa in them. Not a lot, but some.

I do believe alfalfa promotes basal break growth.

Kate

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 1:25PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Kate - for what it's worth, if you ever want to give something a shot of pure alfalfa and want a smaller quantity, go to the small animal section of a pet store. In the bags of Timothy Hay for guinea pig/rabbits, there will also be small bags of Alfalfa hay. They run about $7-8, which is relatively reasonable for adding alfalfa to small gardens. I'd estimate those bags could supplement 7-10 roses depending on dosage.

Of course if the "tones" work for you, you're getting the alfalfa and a lot of other good stuff. Just wanted to clarify some options.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 1:30PM
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