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the_bustopher z6 MO

As others have mentioned, First Prize is a good show rose when the flowers are right. In fact, it was the top show rose in the country for 17 years and was only dethroned by Touch of Class when it got going. I have had reasonably good luck with it in the Midwest, but it is winter-tender and needs extra protection from the cold.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2014 at 9:24AM
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angelawilley

I was given this rose as a gift and loved it. We live in southern indiana and it was only a foot or so tall. I planted it in full sun and put my egg shells and coffee grounds on it daily but no special soil or other care. It grew within a couple years to a strong, constant producer of healthy flowers. We moved and I'm currently trying to find a replacement. I did not cover it or do anything special during cold weather. No issues with mildew.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 8:09PM
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monarda_gw

Well, the Hampton township is now really suburban (or a resort area) because of booming tourism and overdevelopment. I have been helping a friend garden near there for over 10 years in what was not very long ago a pine-barrens area. I think they said that the deer do stay in the same area, especially the females. They are creatures of habit. Nonetheless, 3,000 is too many and they are becoming habituated to people's garden plants. Also, it is too densely populated for hunting to be very safe or effective.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 5:32PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I put a net around some of my rose bushes just now. The deer are really chomping on them this year.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 7:15PM
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patricianat

I would not recommend Westerland as a climber. Pretty colors and it was beautiful with my bricks on my house but it was stiff and stubby. Once it is adult size, it is not pliable for training.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 7:26AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Oops, it's 'Venus Violacea' clematis. Sorry.

(still not finding how to edit a post. What do I click on? TIA)

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 6:27PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Abraham Darby, Cornelia and Golden Showers are not cane hardy in zone 5. They will suffer significant dieback in most winters.

Here are a few choices I can think of off the top of my head:

John Davis- large sprawling shrub that can also be trained as a climber. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.

Therese Bugnet- Large upright vase shaped shrub that is taller than wide. Can easily grow 6-8' in height when mature and 3-4' wide. Has red canes that can add winter interest. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.

Zepherine Drouhin- Bourbon climber that will tolerate shadier locations than most roses. Is very beautiful, but typically a hot mess of blackspot and mildew or both.

John Clare- An Austin rose with next to no prickles. Prolific bloomer, little scent.

Jacques Cartier- Not prickle free, but doesn't have many. Great rose, not grown enough IMO. Good bloomer, good scent, disease resistant and very hardy.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:29AM
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powerflowers

Thanks for your posts!

Kate - I had actually looked at Mortimer Sackler but HMF and several other sources had him listed as Z6b and I'm Z5a so I didn't think he would work here. Sure is a beautiful looking rose though!

Morden Man - Disappointing to hear that about Abraham Darby and Cornelia. Does either grow vigorously enough to climb back up an 8 ft trellis in the course of a season, even with some dieback?

Out of curiosity, is it true Abe Darby is 'nearly thornless' (doesn't look it in photos I've seen, but gosh the blooms are beautiful). Also, I have the same question about Golden Celebration? Lots of thorns or dieback?

Also, do you think John Clare or Jacques Cartier could be used for a rose hedge up against my house (w/ direct western exposure)? Would one thrive better than the other in prolonged direct heat? How do they compare in terms of rebloom? Both of them looked gorgeous in the photos I pulled up. For the thorns on Jacques, would you say he's as thorny as a knockout? (Just trying to get a comparison since I think my knockouts have absolute claws, but I guess someone else could think they are fairly tame depending on the varieties they grow.)

Would Heritage or Reine des Violettes work for a reblooming rose hedge?

Thanks again for the input!

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 4:09PM
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DrPekeMom

Lady of Shallott is one of my best performers in the heat. Mine gets a little afternoon shade, so there's not much fading, either.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:39AM
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Sow_what? Southern California Inland

Kate, very pretty pictures of Lady of Shallot. I've heard good things, though I don't grow this rose.

DandyLioness, I am growing Carding Mill, and it's holding up very well through our crazy weather, with wild fluctuations from 40's to 90's, drought, and high winds. It's a new rose which leafed out quickly, and has been blooming nonstop. I do find the blooms to hold a chalice shape through much of their time on the bush (the blooms also last well). My one caution is the hue, which is throwing my color scheme into a tailspin. Not only can pink, apricot and peach be on the shrub all at the same time, but some of the blooms appear to change color throughout the day -- sacré bleu, I'm not kidding!

Another new rose for me is Wollerton. and it's doing just as well as CM so far. I posted a pic elsewhere yesterday, but it looks as shown on the David Austin website -- really beautiful to my eye, with lasting blooms.

Yet another option might be the creamy white Claire Austin, which is performing very well for me so far. I have the very flexible stems wrapped around a pillar, and it's been blooming nonstop, even though it's still quite small.

All of these roses are new bare roots for me, so I'm not ready to make recommendations -- I'm just reporting what I've observed so far. If you need pictures, I might be able to take some when I'm there tonight.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 4:07PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

The West Jersey Rose Society has a few links to nurseries in the South Jersey area (scroll down to the middle of the page), you can try calling around to those vendors. Also, if you are willing to come to Monmouth County, call Sickles Market in Little Silver, they usually carry it, but I haven't seen their list this year, and I won't be able to get over there until next weekend.

Here is a link that might be useful: West Jersey Rose Society

    Bookmark   April 25, 2014 at 7:01PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

I just received the list from Sickles in Little Silver, and they do show Blanc Double de Coubert. Not sure if the stock is out yet, give them a call if you are inclined to come as far north as Monmouth County.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 3:25PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Hi Lothlin

One of the reasons you may not have gotten many responses is that there aren't many grey roses that will survive in zone 5, much less thrive. I planted Aschermittwoch last year and it's showing no signs of life even though protected pretty well. I've grown (and killed) Grey Pearl, Lavender Pinocchio, Lila Vidri, Silver Cloud, and any number of "grey" looking roses. Haven't bothered to try Sterling Silver, as it's the wimpiest of the bunch in our zone. In general the weird colors - grey, russet, lavender - tend to be weak roses.

The closest to grey I can find on RV's website that is reliably hardy for me in zone 5 is Lagerfeld. It survived even the polar vortex reasonably well, and it's a light lavender with creamy-greyish tones. Pam's Choice by Barden is a hauntingly beautiful rose that I've tried once, and I think it'll need a protected spot in my yard. Ditto for Vol de Nuit that I'll give one more try.

Among the russets, I have been able to get Tantarra to survive with some definite babying, in my zone 6 pocket, but it's not robust by any means. Spiced Coffee, however, has been an absolute trooper and it reblooms pretty steadily in my zone 4 pocket. RV has this one in stock, and I recommend it.

Hope this helps!

Cynthia

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 2:54PM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

The first few seasons Peace was cream with a light mauve edge. Somewhat similar to what Susan posted above. As it matured, it became a brighter yellow with a raspberry edge:

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:32AM
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deervssteve(9)

My Peace

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 2:39PM
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oberci

Hey kathy, I too am considering Lady of Shallot and we seem to be neighbors. Which nursery did you see her at? Thanks!

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 3:25AM
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DrPekeMom

I have my Lady in a spot with some afternoon shade, and she keeps her color very well despite the heat. YMMV, but she's been good for me in the heat.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:41AM
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redribbons

Thank you all so much! Now, that you said the name, I remember buying a rose with that name. I just love this rose, it is such an unusual color. I am going to have to buy some rose markers. I have a couple more roses, tags are gone from.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 5:43PM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

I find maps help, along with tags. The latter not rarely get lost; it helps to have a backup source of information.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:57AM
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alameda/zone 8

I just planted Fragrant Cloud this year. I was looking at the first open bloom and a bud late yesterday - they are gorgeous and smell divine! It is near a Royal Sunset climber with a purple clematis on the trellis - I love the combination of the Fragrant Cloud and the peach of the Royal Sunset. There is a yellow rose blooming nearby and I really love this combination. FC might grow tall - as hybrid teas can tend to do. You might really like this rose - it has been around a long time, I would suppose for good reason. I have never grown it but the blooms are huge.......I am really liking this rose!
Judith

    Bookmark   April 28, 2014 at 12:57PM
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Dinglehopp3r z7A. EastTN

Thank you for all your pictures and responses! I have so many more beautiful types to consider now! (a good and a bad thing!) I definitely will be getting fragrant cloud, I just really want to smell this fragrance I have heard so much about, plus it is an incredible looking flower too, so it's like a double whammy. I'll have to find room to squeeze a couple more of these other suggestions in too.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:33AM
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patricianat

Yes, it could be Francois Juranville. In fact, I think it most likely is. I believe both are Wichurana ramblers.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 7:34AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

I agree with Bella rose and Patricia. There are some other ramblers that look similar, but this would be the most likely.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 9:06AM
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DanieleC

The rose was pruned very lightly one or two years ago (when I decided to try to take care of these plants that grow in the 'garden' where I live), before that they were pruned sporadically. Very lightly because not knowing what I was doing I didn't want to damage this rose.

By the way, now the rose is blooming, i'm going to prune it after flowering.

Thanks for your help.

d.

I attach a photo to give an idea of how it looks now.

Here is a link that might be useful: A photo of a flower taken last year

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 3:31AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I would leave it, it doesn't look that bad. As long as the canes aren't so bent that they may break. I had a large tea that was loaded with buds and we had a horrible rain storm, and it was basically laying on the driveway for a few days. But it will dry out. you can try shaking some of the water off. After it blooms, you can take out some of the larger canes so it doesn't happen again.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 6:21AM
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mirendajean(Donegal, Ireland)

Rosefolly,

Ooooh, enjoy your trip. There's less rain down the south of the country, between Dublin & Cork. I'm in the NW. Here the climate is similar to the PNW back home. We've lovely summers but they can be cool.

My brother in laws are major cyclists. They don't bat an eye at 100+ mile cycling journeys. My partner helps organise the only Cycling Show/Expo in Ireland. Email me if your coming during that time.

M

    Bookmark   April 28, 2014 at 1:51AM
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kansas.girl

Great tips!

This post was edited by kansas.girl on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 23:14

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 9:29PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Spinosad works on the kind I have (the kind that curl up like a snake) and leaves the beneficials that don't eat the leaves, unless you kill them on contact with it perhaps. Just make sure not to spray when bees are out, and you might cut off any open blooms to be sure. It's toxic to bees until it's dried completely. If the leaf-cutter bees are active, I'd not spray it because I'm afraid it would hurt them even when dry (?).

Squishing is best, but I had so many last year that they ate ALL of the foliage eventually on certain roses, even with my daily squishing. That's just too many!

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 5:02PM
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ehlerslw

I am also having trouble with bugs on my two knockout roses. I will try to find some neem oil at walmart to see if I can control them. how often do you need to spray neem oil on roses to kill the slugs.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 7:25PM
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