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I have a tree rose OTM planted in a place that shades over at about 2pm also. My zone is not nearly as hot as TX so I may not helpful. We do have our stretches of 90s or rarely 100s for about a week. This rose fades to white generally and quickly in heat. Its my only reason I'm gonna replace with Brandy... I didn't want a white rose. Otherwise its a prolific bloomer all the time with huge beautiful blooms. It doesn't flush like most but seems to always have blooms up til December here. In general I wouldn't buy OTM in a hot climate unless you want an apricot that turns white. Weeks missed it with this one.
I love this colour range and it is beautiful. I was looking for this rose last year but couldn't find it. Hopefully I will this spring. I grew Marilyn Monroe and Just Joey and they both died after the first winter. This rose seems to combine the best of two: MM's rose shape and JJ's colour. The only question I have is how BS resistant is it and the zone hardiness?
Mini roses can come in a variety of sizes. The "mini" refers to the miniature bloom, not necessarily the size of the bush.
I have multiple Sweet Dianas (a mini) that grows about 2 feet tall. I also have multiples of another mini called Green Ice--it sprawls and never gets more than 1 to 1.5 feet tall--mostly spreads outward rather than growing upward. Both Sweet Diana and Green Ice have small blooms (the "mini" part).
I've also heard of some minis that have grown much, much taller--though I believe that is not real common in the world of minis. I think you can also get minis that are climbers, though maybe not more than 5-6 ft.
You will just have to read the description of any mini you are interested in in order to determine how tall the bushes will get. And then plan on them getting taller than that--as roses often do in the warmer regions.
Kate
I've never heard of the term mini floribunda. The ARS recognized class is Miniflora, all one word. Your Mornin' Sunshine is not on HMF but I did find it at Otto & Sons nursery and it looks like it was introduced in 2014 by Certified Roses. Certified classes it as a floribunda but one that has blooms on the smaller size. They say blooms are 2 x 2 inches. They don't list a plant size but say it has a "spreading habit".
As Kate said, mini and miniflora only applies to the size of the bloom and the leaves, not the size of the plant. I have the mini Softee and it gets over 3 feet tall and wide all the time. There are mini climbers, like Jeanne Lajoie, can get 10 or 12 feet tall. If you are looking for compact plant size you need to look for that trait and not rely on the bloom size to indicate the plant size.
Ugh, I'm glad I'm not the only pruning ditherer. The books say 'when the buds swell' and ALSO 'after the last frost' and the two are not comparable. The buds on mine start swelling (those that go dormant) pretty much as soon as we're past the longest night, but last frost date is ususally late March. By which point, the roses have got three months growth on them.
I try to hold out till they actually start leafing out proper, and pray we don't get a late cold front, but it's difficult - Eglantyne had a tiny bud forming this morning, I was somewhat staggered.
Oh Cynthia... I just found out my EDGAR DEGAS died. Nobody here in the US or even Canada carry it anymore. I was sooo upset when I realized it was gone. I have sooo many more stripeys that I didn't show here. Some didn't bloom last yr so I didn't have recent pics. Some I just forgot and really didn't want to overload the thread!! LOL
TIGER TAIL is an old J&P floribunda that apparently wasn't a very good rose in general, so they dumped it. It was intro'd along with PURPLE TIGER and another stripey FL that also got dumped early on. I don't quite remember the name but it was a white and orange stripe. Oh wait, maybe it was called ORANGE SPLASH or something like that. I never did purchase that one. I think the problem with TIGER TAIL was the fact that the blooms are really quite small for a floribunda. They average about 2". Now BUTTERFLY is a florist rose that I got from someone I can't really mention, as I don't want him to be inundated by people asking for roses. I also got my SIMSALABIM from him.
If I had time, I'd try to root some of these obscure roses. But I just don't have the time right now.
My Peach Silks, grown from tiny bands years ago from Heirloom, are on an arbor - they grow well, bloom throughout the year and are pretty much disease free. I have 2 on this arbor - the other 2 were grown from bands and are in big pots - I plan to put them in the ground in early spring or before. I find they bloom most of the year in spite of the fact that I don't fertilize them much. They are healthy and I think anyone would be pleased to have this lovely rose.
Judith
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and of course not only being from IOWA:
Dr. Griffith J. Buck
Here is a link that might be useful: The Buck Rose Web Site
I think its out of whack because when I started the garden the soil had been covered for at least a decade with thick plastic sheets, weed barriers and stone. When I uncovered it after buying my home, it was very very very dense clay with some odd pockets of soft, dry sand.
So being a novice garden, I started a flower garden without amending the soil at all, and used a lot of things like miracle grow and Bayer products to help the plants eek out a horrible existence.
Over the last few years I have been tilling leaf compost into the garden and using only the epsoma products for both flowers and roses. I do, however, still use a Bayer fungicide.
Either way the Ph in my soil is still high, as it is in my well water in general. If I don't remediate this in my house with a water conditioner system, it pretty much destroys my pipes.
In my garden, my roses suffer magnesium and iron deficiencies. I fix this with twice a summer applications of a liquid iron chleate and epsoms salts.
What I am hoping is to get Ph level down through other means, but have yet to really take a crack at this.
So that's my story.
Cheers
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Soil pH should have a high correlation with groundwater pH. So the soil pH is correct according to its own logic. It is going to take active work to lower it, because that is going to be an artificial construction - commonly known as sulfur. Basically, unless your pH is over 8, the problem isn't with the soil, but with what you think it should be. Adding organic matter will get is somewhat closer to 7, but not a lot.
Basically, I've been there, done that. There are roses that much prefer an acidic soil that I don't grow. I also don't grow blueberries, azaleas, or any rose of multiflora heritage. If it likes a pH over 7, it grows like a weed.
I have mine on a trellis. It was originally in a pot, but the root grew through the bottom into the ground. She REALLY wanted to live in the dirt!
I usually prune in late late winter and I'm not shy about cutting her back; she can take it. I try to keep her upright for maximum blooming.
Good luck with yours!
It may not have been anything you did or didn't do. As you said, roses do not like to be inside. Try putting a saucer of water next to them, not under them, to raise the humidity around them. And get some additional light. And fluorescent lamp will do. Don't fertilize them any more now until the start to leaf out again. No guarantee on any of this but it could help.
If you get more like this next season try sinking the pots into the soil for the winter. They may do better just going dormant outside.
I bought Drop Dead Red as an impulse buy because my sister love the show Drop Dead Diva. It ended up being a superbe rose. Throughout the whole summer, it is abundant with flowers when other roses took a pause between flowering. The flowers lasted quite a long time and the bush is well behaved, like a natural bride bouquet. It only has BS later in the summer. I would definitely recommend this rose to anyone who is looking for a red floribunda.
JJ - I agree about Drop Dead Red. I planted mine in a container in 2013, it did great. I think I'm going put mine in the ground this spring. The bush has a lovely shape, it's a good rose.