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Henry, you do such an amazing job of keeping up with all of this stuff and keeping us informed. It is appreciated...but...please stop finding more things I need to worry about, lol! Some days I just can't deal with finding out there are more things out there that want to destroy my roses.
If you go back to Help Me Find, and click on "buy from", and then scroll down to the bottom you will find a box that says "show all nurseries....". (The first short list is just nurseries that contribute to HMF.) Click on that, and there are 4+ pages of nurseries for this rose.
You are correct, most of them are in the UK or Europe, but I saw 4-5 that were either in the US or Canada. I would search on each ones web site. If the web site lists the rose, the safest thing to do is to call them on the phone to find out if they really have it.
Good Luck!
Jackie
Roses Unlimited has it. I tried it because of the reputation for disease resistance, but it was highly susceptible to cercospora spot in my climate. YMMV. The color was mostly a hot coral, not the silvery and pastel blend you see in some pictures. The plant habit was dense and shrubby.
I agree with Seil -- Except in the case of wide-spread disease, I would not practice general defoliation of roses in the summer.
Here at the coast, (Borderline Z 23/24) we are THEORETICALLY cool enough to prevent cane burn -- but the coastal temperatures are going higher and higher.
The canes need the shade of their leaves.
I DO notice and remove leaves on Hybrid Perpetuals which are beginning to rust. But new foliage is never touched.
And I would be FAR more restrained with any of your roses which are first-year plants.
If the plants are mature, the Santa Clarita Valley Rose Society in Southern California, recommends pruning 1/3 of the canes around labor day (September 1st this year) for nice blooms by October. My roses are too new to try that this year, but I'll keep it in mind for the future.
Some roses, like hybrid musks, do all right in less than 6 hours sun, but for most roses, I think you will find that they are not quite as floriferous and are slower on the re-bloom and perhaps have more BS problems than roses grown in 6 or more hours of sun. I have a double Knock Out in full sun and another one that only gets 3-4 hours sun, with maybe some passing sunlight as the day progresses. The sunny Knock Out blooms twice as much and much more frequently than the shady one--but the good news is that the shady one does bloom and looks very nice in bloom--you will just have to put up with it looking only like a green bush a good part of the time.
By all means--try it out since they are already planted, and let us know how it goes. In the meantime, during the next year or two, you might keep an eye out from several good sunny places to move them to if, indeed, they don't exactly thrive in their present placement.
Good luck.
Kate
Some roses have canes that are simply not flexible.
Those stiffer roses aren't suitable for winding around a pole, but are better used against a fence or trellis.
You might transplant this rose, next year, to a more-suitable spot, and look for something with LAX canes, for this purpose.
Even then, you will want to train the cane, gradually, as it grows, while it retains the ability to bend.
Thank you Seil and Lesley. Both of you are very special ladies. Lesley, I've been wondering how your roses are doing this year?
Boncrow - Thank you too. I've been enjoying you very much on this forum and appreciate you.
This post was edited by Sara-Ann on Thu, Jul 24, 14 at 9:36
Sorry for not seeing this earlier. I grow double Knockouts (among other roses) in containers on a hot patio north of you in DC. I use the largest containers I can find, which are about 24": in diameter.
I would leave your rose alone (except for watering and fertilizing of course) until next Spring. It shouldn't need to be pruned by then, either.
You should re-pot it in late Winter when it is still bare--or mostly bare. However, these are tough, tough roses and can take a whole lot of abuse. They can also grow in more shade than other roses require, but do better the more sun they have. I have been in the process of painting my resin pots (which are about 15 years old and quite banged-up looking) and replanting my roses. I recently replanted a double Knockout after the Spring flush and it is now going gangbusters.
I use flat saucers under my pots to keep dirt off the patio (I'm in a rental apartment, too) and also use plant caddies to keep the whole thing off the ground. Big Lots carries some nice flat metal ones cheap. The caddies also make the pots easier to move.
I don't use clay pots for any of my perennials because of the cracking issue. I have some smaller ones I use for annuals and empty them out before the first frost.
Hope this helps.
Hi Barb, thanks for your advice. I already replanted to a 20in pot though. I'm glad to hear that someone else in nearby territory is having luck growing them on an apartment patio!
I decided to go ahead and fertilize it. It's holding up well so far. No blooms, as they were spent so I removed them before replanting. But that's okay, I figure it needs to establish a good root system anyway.
I'm also glad to hear they are tough plants and can withstand a little abuse (less than adequate sunlight and conditions etc.) because I really hope to replant in the ground, when I buy a home (hopefully soon).
Thanks again!
Alright, I will try to get a picture posted of both the canker at the base and at the new growth.
About whether or not it was grafted, I'm not actually sure because we inherited the rose bush with the house... we got the house about... 14 years ago, and I've only just recently started taking care of the rose bush about 2 or 3 years ago. Its really pretty when it blooms, and it surprises me that if has survived for 11 or 12 years without care that it would die of something now. It is, however identified as Oranges 'n' Lemons, and I know this because I show this rose at local rose shows (and they have to be certified and named correctly).
Also, if its not canker that is killing it, then I don't know what it is. I've sprayed it with GreenCure (super great antifungal stuff) and it just keeps spreading... One of the canes is actually broken (either from whatever is attacking it or because I put a towel on it when it hailed). I will get a picture uploaded shortly.
Oh, sorry about the broken cane. Do cut that off so it has a clean cut. The ragged end of the break provides a good spot for bad things to happen. Also, you don't need to cover it when it hails. The rose will actually do better without cover as the ice will simply roll off the leaves to the ground. When you covered it you provided a place for the ice to collect and build up weight and that's what probably broke the cane.
I'm going to start growing more roses in containers next year.
I'll start out with large containers and probably within 3 - 4 years will change the soil and trim the roots some...
Hopefully that works out...lol
Well if I were the building owner I would plant em in the ground, as I have my Belinda' s Dream and knockouts. But I opted to not dig up the entire yard for a rose garden that I might have to leave behind if I moved. I actually think I have better control over feeding, soil, and water this way too.