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Terrific list as well Kim, and it helps explain why so many of these older HTs have done poorly for me. As MG mentioned, I've tried most of these own-root and they mostly didn't survive the winter, including: Mrs. Sam McGredy, Ophelia, and Etoile de Hollande (none of these were close to surviving a protected zone 5-6). OTOH, Mme. Carolyn Testout, cl. is a trooper and at least 8 years old, though she doesn't climb very high after usually dying to the ground. She usually stretches back up to 6-8 feet by this time of the year however, and blooms reasonably well. I have Mme. Pierre S. Dupont in my zone 6 pocket new this year, and I've experienced the 30 minute blooms even in my cooler zone. Given Kim's description, looks like I'll need to try Mrs. Charles Bell and Mme. Louis Bouche next time around!
Cynthia
Hi gryhwk2330,
We plant our new rose band plants into 5 gallon pots with good potting soil and let them grow for around a year before planting them in our garden. We did this with Portlandia and planted it into our garden around a year ago. It produced around 10 canes that grew around 7 feet tall that had beautiful multi-colored roses (orange, pink, yellow) with an appealing fragrance. Our plant is growing erect without support at this point. It remains to be seen if this plant will produce longer canes that require some type of support. The canes are somewhat flexible, so it may be possible to train this variety spiraled around a support as a pillared rose. At this point, we have only seen flowers at the ends of the canes; I expect that there would be far more flowers on a properly trained pillar rose, so we will most likely be doing this in the near future.
We grow a number of the roses developed by the late John Clements and are impressed with their performance, especially The Impressionist, Safari, Tranquility, Memories, and Star of the Nile. We have recently added a number of others: Joan Fontaine, Magnificent Perfume, Fragrant Masterpiece, and Golden Globe. These have been growing in 5 gallon pots for the past year and we are transplanting them into our garden today.
Good luck with your Portlandia!
John
For other cold zone rose growers, I've found Portlandia to be resistant on several tries to overwinter for me even in my warmest zone 6 pocket. It doesn't even pretend to leaf out in spring as some marginally hardy roses will. Too bad, because the colors look lovely. OTOH, Lady of the Mist has overwintered OK in a typical zone 5 winter spot, but it's not cane hardy. Aloha is a trooper and is not only cane hardy but blooms most of the summer for me. In a cold zone, it's by far the best and the only that even comes close to climbing of these three.
I agree John that there are some very nice Clements roses that I'm only just now appreciating. Star of the Nile is quite nice, and I've been very impressed with the bloom quality and deeply saturated colors of Matchless Mother.
Cynthia
Hi Sharlene
I also grow Pumpkin Patch in zone 5, in my warm sunny spot as a virtual zone 6, so I'd guess that's about where its limit is. It didn't survive in a different spot in my yard that gets a bit colder. Chris' comments apply to mine, except mine is a sporadic bloomer at best as a 2-year-old plant and pretty small so far. Mine dies to the ground in spring, which obviously affects the resulting growth in some roses. I don't notice mine blackspotting worse than the average flori or HT, but I'm pretty tolerant to such things. The east coast US is particularly harsh for BS, however, so Chris is dealing with tough conditions for BS.
Cynthia
summers, I'm not convinced your rose is La France, but at the same time it's quite beautiful. For a new rose it has a large number of petals, and I'd be tempted to keep it and get another La France. You did the right thing by showing ARE the pictures. They're a very reputable company and should be able to identify this rose and send you a replacement if it's not correct. Please keep us posted; I'll be very interested to find out what their opinion is.
Thanks Sara, Ingrid and Chris. I talked to a gentleman at the nursery today, he was very nice. He thought it looked like their La France, but theirs all had fragrance. I asked him nicely if he could ship me another one, I was disappointed on this one, he said yes! :-) It was very kind of him. I am very thankful for that, I still think the rose tag got mixed up within thousands of roses. It looks so different than other people's La France. I have my hope up to have a bloom like Sara's before winter. I really don't want a refund, I want a La France. I will post a pic when I receive it. I'd grow it in a pot this year to speed up the blooms, and plant it in the garden next spring. Wish me luck! :-)
I have Glowing Amber and it is indeed a lovely rose. I haven't had a problem with her getting too hot in a clay pot but in the summer heat she is solid red. She has been blooming not stop all summer. Hopefully as it gets cooler she'll go back to being a bicolor.
I've looked at everyone's suggestions for some minifloras. I have four right now and just transplanted all of them into 15 gallon pots. They seem to like the extra space because they've suddenly been pouring out the blooms. I have Monty's Joy and the smell is divine.
I have my basket full on Forloveofroses.com but have to go back and take some out. I don't have space or $ for the number I have in there. You just gave me too many suggestions!
I'm in central southern Ontario. We generally get your weather about a week after you do, but it is usually moderated by the great lakes. Big swings in temperature can cause a lot of damage in a garden. Hope you will be able to enjoy your roses for quite a while yet this season.
Sue
Heirloom Roses has them own root available as bands & gallons, but now may not be a good time to plant them in your zone.
I agree, Ingrid. We have 2 ground level bird baths, one which is about 10 inches off the ground, and one at traditional height. In this heat I have to refill each of them every day. At night the raccoons (our figs are just about ripe..) come and use the 2 ground level ones, so by morning they are full of muddy water. I have seen birds, deer, skunks, squirrels (once I saw a squirrel standing on its tippy-toes to reach into the 10 inch high one to drink - so funny), wasps and butterflies using them, as well as our neighbors' outdoor cat. All are welcome to the water -
Oh, the tall one lately has had bird down feathers floating in it, and I was afraid that some predator bird was killing baby birds. NOT! I witnessed what it was the other day. There are several nests of blue jays in our overgrown garden. I saw one of the fledgling blue jays which still had down feathers on its shoulders and rump taking a long long bath. By the time it was finished and flew away, there were several of its down feathers floating in the water - one way to get rid of them!
Jackie
I don't have pictures of all of mine. I probably won't be able to get pictures of my two newest ones until the weekend. Here is the one in the front yard. I put it there as pretty much nothing would grow there in the front. Great way to take up space and the butterflies can get a drink. I actually saw a bird in there the other day.
Here is my fountain in the back. The picture was taken on a warm summer's evening. That is the main one that the birds all use. They love to splash, bathe and drink from it. I pretty much have to fill it up daily in the summertime.
I also have another dish I use as a bird bath. It has a statue of Lovely Lenore in it. The crows and doves seem to love to stand in this one and cool off their feathers in it. Can't seem to find a good shot of it so it will have to wait until the weekend, but it is next to my fountain in this picture.
Grafted isn't a guarantee. I was very irritated yesterday to find that my 'Chapeau de Napoleon', which has been in the ground for eleven years and has, happily, suckered from the grafted part, has put out its first ever rootstock sucker. Yecch. I could tell because it was smooth, unlike the thorny CdN young growth. With a rootstock you are NEVER safe. I adore ownroot roses.
With the caveat that all these roses are only in their second year, Chihuly is big, almost the size of my Tamora. Sexy Rexy has stayed small, but is still growing. Trumpeter is still under 2'. Livin' Easy shows signs of a possible growth spurt. I agree with Patty W. that it is a terrific rose!
I was glad to see this post. We will be trimming the front shrubs hard this winter. I saw what I now know we're the PM Casings but at the time didn't know what insect they were from. Now I know and will keep an eye out when we trim and make sure to save and place the casings around the yard.
Tadpoles hatch with most of the original egg still attached. The tadpoles consume that until they find other food. Maybe the PM's are doing the same thing, except the second PM out of the shell is the 'egg' for the first PM, then it starts all over. If not maybe we would be in up to our ears with PMs flying around. Something to consider before we start interfering with their life cycle.....
It would be nice if they actually offer it online. At one time, I remember reading on the forum that A.R.E. was selling the climbing sport at the nursery, but I never saw it on their website. They really need to get all their Belindas together for us addicts, lol.
John
Hoovb, if yours sports again, try air layering it instead of taking a cutting. In your heat, you might have to cover the layered section with aluminum foil to keep it from overheating, but it would definitely be worth a try. (And then you can send me a cutting of the new plant, lol)
John
Knowing which virus you have is critical as they all have different properties. For example for Blackberry chlorotic ringspot virus :
"This rose virus is of particular importance to rose hybridizers as the literature reports that seed transmission that exceeded 50% in rose has been observed."
Unfortunately, the mode of transmission is not known for some of the viruses.
One of the others, PNRSV, appears to have a 1 to 2 % seed transmission rate. Since PNRSV is known to be a temperature sensitive virus, its seed transmission rate may be greater in a cool climate than in your hot Mexico climate. If your virus symptoms appear only in cool weather, you may have PNRSV. If they last all season long, it is very probable that it is not PNRSV.
My prime concern with RMV is that it may hinder my plants' longevity. My Charles de Gaulle for example, is growing wonderfully. I'm afraid I'd wind up losing the marvelous, big, free blooming bush it points to becoming in 10 years when it could've lasted a lifetime. I'd then have to buy another one and wait for it to mature again. Next in my line of concerns is that it passes onto my seedlings... I will keep an eye out for when it is that the symptoms show clearer in the year.