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Also,for an hybrid tea,it has clusters of blooms...I'm a novice rose grower,and many of the roses I bought are so finicky! But this one si outstanding.event the jappenease beetle hordes stay away from it!

I hear you Jim. One worthy pic with the old 3mp Olympic.

Bloom does look nice!

Thx y'all :)

Very beautiful. What is the fragrance like?

I know that fragrance is important to gardeners, but keep in mind that the two weakest genes in the roses are the deep red and the fragrance one. Pirouette does have a "rose smell" but it isn't strong. So if you breed a beautiful deep, velvety red with a Damask fragrance, you will have a shrub that will cause you more problems then say a pink one. Papa Meilland is a good example. The old father desperately wanted to breed a top red rose and when he was dying, his son went into the fields to try and find any flower that would make his father think it was a good one. He picked a bloom from a sad looking shrub with lots of BS on it but had a perfect flower on it. He took it in and showed it to his father who got excited because he said it was perfect. What shall you call the rose he asked his son, and his son replied Papa Meilland.

Thank you for the comments on the Fragrant Path . I think I'll re-name it to that. I was calling it the Perfumed Path before, but Fragrant Path seems to work better. Thanks for the suggestion, sara.

Just for the record: Not blooming yet along my Fragrant Path are two fragrant beauties: at one end, Oklahoma; at the other end, Double Delight. Those two are "stars" along the Fragrant Path.

Kate

Thank you Kate - Glad you like the name, I inadvertently called in that, I appreciate your subtleness. I love the idea of all those fragrant roses together. I'm going to have to get Oklahoma, I've read so many good things about it that I need to give it a try.

Bellarosa, since you're closer to my zone, I can share the information that Awakening is hardy and healthy in zone 5 in part shade. I've attached a picture of it duking out space with a Snow Queen oakleaf hydrangea. You can see that it gets big, as the fence is 6 feet and these are only a few branches of the well-established Awakening bush. Any climber in part shade is going to flower less and have more disease risk than in full sun, but for me this one is mostly plant and forget (unless I need to climb near the fence - not a happy prospect). Other part-shade climbers that do fine for me include Blossomtime, Compassion, Laguna, Dixieland Linda, Madame Bovary, Clair Matin, and Darlow's Enigma (not really a climber for me but a huge shrub, but he's also in mostly shade).

Lynette, your photo is gorgeous of Awakening and shows the discrepancy between a climber in full sun and mine in part shade. Hrose, one of the reasons we don't post full bush shots of most roses is that most of them just get too big to fit in the shot with any level of detail. Even though I was trying to capture the whole Awakening bush, I was nowhere close - particularly with a climber.

Cynthia

If those of us in high heat, aridity and drought areas were to do that, few others would grow roses right now. I have the occasional really nice bloom on the most wretched looking plants...Kim

We had 24 KO double red planted in April by a nursery we have dealt with for over 20 years. 3 plants were replaced because they didn't grow. They didn't die either, they just didn't do anything. Several of the remaining plants have very narrow leaves. Some have red leaves and canes but no thorns so I can't confirm RRD. Note neighbors have mature KO hedges with no apparent problems. I have another plant that has neither grown nor died. Any suggestions?

Couldn't attach 2 pics. This is the lazy rose that don't do anything. The whitish stuff is a surficant in Liquid Fence.

The color and form is really striking. Too bad about the light fragrance. You ought to take a look at VIKING QUEEN. It has wonderfully scented voluptuous blooms similar in form to those in your pic. It is also fairly mannerly in its growth habit, has reliable repeat bloom and the foliage is disease resistant. Would be just about perfect if it weren't for the vicious thorns.

Here is a link that might be useful: Viking Queen at HelpMeFind Roses

Great picture. It reminds me of the climber, Rosarium Uetersen.

Oh yes. I've been feeding every 2 weeks.

My Love Song bushes have good repeat bloom, maybe it just needs a little more time to adjust. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Thank you so much for your suggestions.
Also I wanted to say I found the Tom Carrruth breeding for Fragrance very interesting. Thank you for posting a link

Sharon

Jasminerose, double thanks for the great link to Tom Carruth's presentation & the reminder of Jardins de Bagatelle! Delicious in every way, grew it in the late 80's in a colder more exposed garden where it succumbed to cold. Thinking this garden would be more hospitable, would happily welcome it and again inhale that heavenly perfume.

Here is a link that might be useful: Jardins de Bagatelle

Those are growing, healthy and happy roses! Relax and enjoy them!

Thanks Seil. I really did suspect I was overreacting but I needed people who were more experienced than me to give me that reassurance. :)

The plant looks healthy so I think you just need some patience. It likely is working on it's root system. Make sure it is getting enogh water and sun. Is it in a location that it will get at least 6 hours of sun a day?

IâÂÂve had my Falling in Love (grafted on Dr Huey) for about 5 years. Seems like it was slow to repeat its first year, but I canâÂÂt remember if it was slow to grow, as well. It is one of my later roses to bloom each spring, but once it starts, it has flushes that repeat fairly quickly with scattered blooms in between. The bush itself isnâÂÂt very prettyâ¦EXTREMELY thorny and rather awkward growth (mine grows more on one side of the bush than the other)â¦but itâÂÂs not slow to grow. Right now, mine is about 5 ý ft tall and 4 feet wide, and will get a bit bigger by the time our season ends. The blooms themselves are big, beautiful, fragrant, long lasting and plentiful. They last a good while on the bush and in a vaseâ¦one of my very favorites for cutting. I'm in a hot and humid climate, and FIL will blackspot some here...no better or worse than most of my roses...about average blackspot resistance for me.
Here are few pictures of mine..

This is the only bush shot I could find...from early June after days of very heavy rain:

Other than color, the leaves look fine to me. It looks like the red of new growth fading to the chartreuse of chlorosis. Try getting some granular Ironite and sprinkling it around the roses showing this. I saw this a bit on some of my roses with heavy Multiflora background -- Polyanthas and Hybrid Musks, 'Bleu Magenta' and the related 'Purple Skyliner' -- soon after the first set of leaves in Spring, and also following any bouts of heavy rain. It's as though the leaves are forming faster than the roots can suck up iron to get them fully green. I got a big bag of Ironite for lawns and kept it on-hand for whenever I noticed it happen again.

:-)

~Christopher

It's extreme iron deficiency chlorosis where the plant is unable to produce chlorophyll at all. Causes could include high (alkaline) PH, waterlogging, or if the pattern of growth is abnormal, herbicide damage or rose rosette disease. Please provide clear images from the side showing the thorns and how the stems branch--the upper foot or two of the affected stems. Tell us anything that might bear on the possible causes listed above. (Water, use of lime, possible herbicide exposure--even a stray droplet).

Thanks so much guys. I will fertilize today and put my pruning shears under lock and key :)

I'll check back in a few weeks with an update!

Great! And insufficient water could also be an issue, if this is a drier year than you are used to having. In the summer months, roses need either about an inch of rain a week or thorough irrigation. A rose 3' wide could use 4 gallons a week in zone 8 Portland, 5 gallons in zone 8 Charleston, or 6 gallons in zone 8 Dallas.

Please do let us know how it goes.

If you can't find Rose Tone, I've been very happy with Jobe's Organic Knock-Out fertilizer. But as Kate said, "roses aren't really overly fussy." If you find cheaper organic fertilizers with similar ratios (the N-P-K is listed as #-#-# on the bags), they'll work as well. Feed the soil, and the soil will feed the plants.

:-)

~Christopher

Roses are heavy feeders, and if you have not been fertilizing at all this is definitly where you need to start. I use 10-10-10 with very good results so if that's what you have at home use that. If the plants only have a few leaves you definitly don't want to cut any off, so since you didn't prune this year I would just wait til next Feb. to prune. Theres great online videos to show you how to prune if you need some tips. Heres one I like. http://www.youtube.com/user/AshdownRoses

Here is a link that might be useful: Ashdown Roses