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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Aw, Buford, that top part may well be toast :( Mine have not grown out that far at all this year. What's out is pretty much all leaves starting, so mine should be OK.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 6:10PM
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floridarosez9

Already did this the last of February. Very mild temps all winter long so everything thought it was spring. All my roses were covered in buds and blooms and then we had two nights of freezing temps. The plants were fine but I lost all the beautiful blooms, and the buds that are opening after the freeze are small and/or deformed. I don't know if I will get another spring flush or if I'm done.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 6:35PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

I never thought to grow roses indoor except mini roses from grocery stores. Mine never did survive anyways. However on valentine's day, I did buy some florist roses and I notice that after a week, some of them start leaving out. I was going to try to see if they would start to root out but dismissed the idea. Although I love roses, I always feel they should be grown outdoors and I regard them as the crown of Summer. If I am surrounded by roses all year round, I will probably take them for granted. I find that during the dreary winter months, the thoughts of seeing them in the spring just melt the cold winter weather away.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:22AM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

I don't know about bugs, but my soil always acts very badly when indoors. I think I'd have to try some kind of special mix to keep it fungus-free. Or practically never water it or something. I do much better with houseplants bought in their own soil that need to be kept dry :)

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 6:19PM
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Flowers and budsJulia Child Chrysler Imperial Olympiad PJP
Posted by deervssteve(9) March 29, 2015
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sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)

Looking very promising for lots of flowers soon! I'm glad to see other people caging their roses so I'm not the only one LOL. I have a bunch of chickens that like to scratch up the little plants.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 1:52PM
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seil zone 6b MI

They're looking really great, Steve!

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 5:51PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Neem oil is better than most for an organic solution. It is toxic to bees so spraying towards evening after bees have gone to bed is helpful. I do have bumble bees that spend the night on blooms. Watch spraying in hot weather I did in past burn my foliage even thou I started at dawn. It may have been very humid and wasn't dry by the time the sun hit. I just don't remember. Best of luck to you and your new roses.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 5:48PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Well, ya' can't save 'em all -- more's the pity.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 8:59AM
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roseseek

No, and we shouldn't. Not only are they not all worth saving, but there is finite space for them. You have to throw out the out-grown wardrobe to make room for the new, even if the out-grown is still useful. You simply pass it along to someone else who wants it and can use it. Kim

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 10:25AM
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sowandgrow

Thanks for sharing that link. His roses are amazing. It's a good thing the ground is still frozen it makes me want to dig mine all up and plant marigolds or something. I just got done reading a link someone posted about the alfalfa tea he brewed with the fish head ect. I was laughing so hard I had tears..I wonder if these pics were from before or after.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:33AM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

You'll have too read the other two links on there when you recover from the big stinking mess just as funny. I reread this probably once a year and laugh as much as the first time. This was from before but he grew them for a long time like this. I always wondered thou if after a spring show like this if they were capable of blooming again in the same year.

I have decided to up my fertilizer routine a bit this year. Spraying with Neptunes liquid fish/sea weed maybe every 3 weeks. Perhaps brewing a bit the alfalfa, fish and cotton seed meals are in the shed. I usually apply dry as brewing is a lot of work. I'm still happy with my bloom and have seen pictures of bloom of other organic gardeners whose roses look pretty darn good.http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.227584

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 7:59AM
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

I had to dig up my TG. It was in a spot right by my front door and as I said, I was struggling to keep it in line without pruning it every two weeks or so. I dug it up a few weeks ago and put Crown Princess Margarete in it's place. She will also climb, but is much more mannerly. Digging up these huge roses and keeping them in pots over a bad winter has not been fun. But since planting CPM, which I was concerned about, I see she has many new basals starting. Of course I had to cover those from the frost last night.

TG I honestly thought I killed it. It was in a pot, the largest one I have, but any growth left died back. I had to cut it back to one large cane. But it does seem to be getting new growth. TG has always came back strong from being cut back. I did put it in the basement last night, so it would not get hit by the frost. TG is going to be the centerpiece of my new circular rose bed. I have a large 7 foot wood obelisk that she will go on and no chance of snaring visitors to the front door.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 5:51AM
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

I also have Tea Clipper and Golden Celebration. I had Graham Thomas, but it died. I would love to get another one, because that rose has the most gorgeous blooms and color. But mine was stingy.

My GC was in a bad spot and never did much of anything. But it was rescued in the Big Dig and now has a prominent spot next to my mailbox on a trellis. It's been doing great so far.

Tea Clipper I love. The blooms, the color. It is a bit stingy, but I am hoping this year with regular pruning and fertilizing/watering that I can get it to bloom more. I took off a lot of old wood and I see much more new growth than before. I grow it as a climber against a fence.

I've never detected a fragrance from TG. I don't have the most sensitive nose, so maybe it's just me.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2015 at 5:57AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I love it!

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 2:08PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Wow, this is definitely not an everyday rose. It is beautiful and definitely out of this world. Thank You for sharing with us.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 9:02PM
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Is this thrip damage or some thing else?
Posted by campv March 27, 2015
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campv

Thanks Everyone

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 3:29PM
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1644810/weird-bud-deformaties

I found the link from a few years ago when I first had the bullhead buds. I'm sure it's from the cold, it's not typical proliferation where there is a bud inside a bloom. It's a stunted bloom.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 4:18PM
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humble5

Reposted in Antique Roses

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 10:26AM
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cecily(7 VA)

Mine is 8 years old and our springs are always cold, cloudy and rainy -- I haven't seen small flowers on Marie. I'd be awfully disappointed if mine ever did that, I understand your concern.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 2:19PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Those deformations are familiar from other roses, but not the one I am curious about, curious to hear what others think

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 11:29AM
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SoFL Rose z10

This happens to my roses like 2x a year. I cannot explain what causes them to form this way, but it seems to affect many different varieties and usually around the same time. Some varieties (elegant fairy tale, sugar moon, mr Lincoln)are more prone to it than others. I live in south Fl so cold or frost damage is certainly not the culprit.

I read once that too much alfalfa can cause this to happen, and I think there is a coorolation because one year I used copious amounts of Rose Tone (which contains Alfalfa) and that was the year that I had it the worst. (I no longer use rose tone and I've seen a significant decline). Not to say that Rose Tone is bad, I believe it to be a good product, but I used it in pots and perhaps it was too concentrated.

Have any if you seen a cooralation between using alfalfa meal and phyllody (or near phyllody) like Hoov says?

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 11:38AM
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cecily(7 VA)

This thread is from 2013.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 8:46AM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

OOP's, never looked at the date.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 9:05AM
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growing_rene2

Those look great! I hope you end up with lots of happy, healthy growth by the end of this season. :)

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 4:03AM
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laura242424

Thanks all, I hope to post 1st-year pictures at the end of the season, for reference!

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 8:50AM
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cecily(7 VA)

Joe, I'm glad that you're watching for spider mites and know to wash them off if they show up -- that's a real hazard of routine insecticide use. The cheap inorganic fertilizer that's included in the 3 in 1 does not improve your soil; I hope you added compost and an organic mulch this spring.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 6:55AM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

If you are in a blackspot prone region, alkaline soil doesn't get you anywhere. (except you aren't growing multiflora or rugosas)

1 Like    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 8:16AM
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

regular additions of organic material can lower the soil PH. Also sulphur or ferrous sulfate and aluminum sulfate can help.

    Bookmark   March 27, 2015 at 5:32PM
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comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)

I understand the various Medics thrive in soil that's low in Nitrogen, so your soil report goes a long way towards explaining this chronic infestation. If left to grow and turned into the soil when they come into flower, well before the seeds set, these helpful 'weeds' will add nitrogen to the soil from those nitrogen-fixing nodules Sam mentioned. For more Nitrogen, you could also add ordinary (green) garden compost and/or alfalfa in some form, as I think (?) others have previously suggested (unless I'm getting your threads mixed up with someone else's - that's quite possible!...)

Looking at the soil report, alfalfa may be a good choice since it's relatively low in Phosphorous, which you apparently have too much of, as well as adding those fantastic natural growth-promoting hormones Jeri has described on another thread. Around here you can buy bales of alfalfa hay which makes an excellent mulch, since it gradually adds the nitrogen and other beneficials as it rots down, while at the same time discouraging further airborne weed seeds from taking root. Getting the nitrogen levels up as per your soil report, by whatever method/s you choose, should naturally discourage the Medic. There are plenty of high Nitrogen organic alternatives, including blood meal (NOT blood and bone though), cottonseed meal and coffee grounds - Google for more ideas and find out which are available locally and affordable or free.

Other Medic-friendly conditions you may need to address are insufficient soil aeration and moisture retention, which could arise through a lower than optimal level of organic matter in the soil. Amending with any solid organic materials will improve the soil's physical STRUCTURE - as distinct from its chemical make-up - making it less hospitable to the Medic as well as being beneficial for your roses in all sorts of ways! (An organic mulch that rots down over time, like the alfalfa hay, would do the same thing, only more slowly.)

I hope this helps. Look, there's rarely if ever just one 'correct' or 'final' solution to gardening problems, so don't expect to be presented with some single, simple magic formula - I may be quite mistaken, but I sort of get the impression that's what you MAY just be hoping for. Please do forgive me if I've misunderstood!

What I'd suggest is, if it makes sense to you, to try the above, see how that goes, then decide on your next step. For example, if you find more Medic seeds that are already buried in the soil start coming up through the mulch next year; you could simply do the same thing again; i.e. turn them into the soil when they come into flower along with any remaining decomposed hay (or whatever) mulch, before applying fresh mulch. However, as always, I'm sure others will have other excellent alternative suggestions, corrections, and additions to my thoughts.

Good luck!

Comtesse :¬)

    Bookmark   March 28, 2015 at 6:17AM
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