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IâÂÂve had my Falling in Love (grafted on Dr Huey) for about 5 years. Seems like it was slow to repeat its first year, but I canâÂÂt remember if it was slow to grow, as well. It is one of my later roses to bloom each spring, but once it starts, it has flushes that repeat fairly quickly with scattered blooms in between. The bush itself isnâÂÂt very prettyâ¦EXTREMELY thorny and rather awkward growth (mine grows more on one side of the bush than the other)â¦but itâÂÂs not slow to grow. Right now, mine is about 5 ý ft tall and 4 feet wide, and will get a bit bigger by the time our season ends. The blooms themselves are big, beautiful, fragrant, long lasting and plentiful. They last a good while on the bush and in a vaseâ¦one of my very favorites for cutting. I'm in a hot and humid climate, and FIL will blackspot some here...no better or worse than most of my roses...about average blackspot resistance for me.
Here are few pictures of mine..
This is the only bush shot I could find...from early June after days of very heavy rain:
Other than color, the leaves look fine to me. It looks like the red of new growth fading to the chartreuse of chlorosis. Try getting some granular Ironite and sprinkling it around the roses showing this. I saw this a bit on some of my roses with heavy Multiflora background -- Polyanthas and Hybrid Musks, 'Bleu Magenta' and the related 'Purple Skyliner' -- soon after the first set of leaves in Spring, and also following any bouts of heavy rain. It's as though the leaves are forming faster than the roots can suck up iron to get them fully green. I got a big bag of Ironite for lawns and kept it on-hand for whenever I noticed it happen again.
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~Christopher
It's extreme iron deficiency chlorosis where the plant is unable to produce chlorophyll at all. Causes could include high (alkaline) PH, waterlogging, or if the pattern of growth is abnormal, herbicide damage or rose rosette disease. Please provide clear images from the side showing the thorns and how the stems branch--the upper foot or two of the affected stems. Tell us anything that might bear on the possible causes listed above. (Water, use of lime, possible herbicide exposure--even a stray droplet).
Great! And insufficient water could also be an issue, if this is a drier year than you are used to having. In the summer months, roses need either about an inch of rain a week or thorough irrigation. A rose 3' wide could use 4 gallons a week in zone 8 Portland, 5 gallons in zone 8 Charleston, or 6 gallons in zone 8 Dallas.
Please do let us know how it goes.
If you can't find Rose Tone, I've been very happy with Jobe's Organic Knock-Out fertilizer. But as Kate said, "roses aren't really overly fussy." If you find cheaper organic fertilizers with similar ratios (the N-P-K is listed as #-#-# on the bags), they'll work as well. Feed the soil, and the soil will feed the plants.
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~Christopher
Roses are heavy feeders, and if you have not been fertilizing at all this is definitly where you need to start. I use 10-10-10 with very good results so if that's what you have at home use that. If the plants only have a few leaves you definitly don't want to cut any off, so since you didn't prune this year I would just wait til next Feb. to prune. Theres great online videos to show you how to prune if you need some tips. Heres one I like. http://www.youtube.com/user/AshdownRoses
Here is a link that might be useful: Ashdown Roses
That is nice. I can't like 'Westerland', or sports, but I believe I would like 'Salita' I love the color shadings. I am wondering if 'Salita' might not add some interest to a mostly pink and white row, without bringing on the dreaded "fruit salad" look.
You got a mislabeled rose which is not uncommon for the cheap bagged roses as Christopher said. It could be just about anything that the producer had on hand when they shipped those roses out. With out pictures of it there's no way we can even attempt to ID it.
If you want roses with scent you need to deal with reputable nurseries either locally or on line and choose the one you want.
Also -- 5 ft. tall isn't at all unusual for a big Hybrid Tea Rose. And in hot weather, red roses may very well bloom pink.
Then, too, fragrance is a very individual sense. There are many "fragrant" roses I cannot smell . . . And there are a few NON-fragrant roses which I CAN smell.
Gardens can be full of surprises.
Hi Cynthia,
I don't really know where one could find Orchard's Pride these days. It doesn't have a source listed on HMF, but it does apparently go under the alternate name Miss Ashley which I didn't know.
My mom has a standard of it in her front yard that she bought at least 4-5 years ago at a hardware chain called 'Orchard Supply Hardware,' I think the rose was named 'Orchard's Pride' to commemorate some anniversary of the hardware chain OSH, but I could be mistaken. I saw a shrub of it available at an OSH almost 2 years ago, but I haven't seen it anywhere in So Cal since.
Jaimes Coiner, the breeder, sells to places like Home Depot, OSH, and others from his wholesale nursery, Coiner Nursery. He breeds his own roses as well as selling older, out of patent floribundas, grandis, and HTs. I don't know if any nurseries carry it that ship, but it could be worth contacting Coiner Nursery if it's a variety that you can't live without. I doubt that, but it is lovely! It has a scent that isn't strong in it's quantity, but to my nose is just perfectly light, sweet, and vaguely citrusy.
Jay
Royal Sunset is a very beautiful climber but it is an old one and has some of the older climbers problems. It is, as said, hardy but unless pruned, it will grow in all directions. The flowers will then not be as full and the leaves sparse. To get the best out of this beauty, it needs to be pruned hard every year to make it grow as a large shrub shape which is normal for it. Keep the nitrogen low so it will put it's strength into flowers not long growth. Then this is what you will see.
There are many nurseries in the UK that would probably have a nice selection of standard roses to choose from.
Here is a link that might be useful: UK nurseries on HMF
I think what might be a better route would be to see what kinds of roses are offered as standards where you are, make a list of the red and white ones, and then ask about those particular varieties. It would be a shame for someone from the US to recommend a variety to you that is not available as a standard in the UK. Sure, you can inquire about custom propagation, but that will be more expensive (and require a longer wait-time) than simply selecting from those already offered.
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~Christopher