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It depends on if you are trying to control their size or not. If you want to keep them smaller then dead heading time is a good time to prune back deep. I've seen KOs cut in half with hedge clippers by mow and blow guys and they bounced right back and re-bloomed beautifully.
We have rose midge in Illinois.The second year was the worst for me. Not a bloom in sight very depressing indeed. That was the last time I used insecticides in my garden. Apparently the good guys were able to establish them selves as damage now days is very limited. May be my imagination but it seems after spider mites have a good year rose midge infection is way down for a while. I did try every thing ever suggested here to get rid of them. In the end the only thing that worked for me was to let mother nature take care of it. She's done a pretty good job. Best of luck too you.
As always, Kim generously shares expert advice. Just to say GC does well here & wondering what else may be going on in your garden. You don't mention the amount of sun your GC receives - could lack of sun exposure be a factor in GC's health & be keeping that area more damp? Do you have a mulch there holding too much water itself? How do you provide watering - sprinklers, drip, by hand, on what schedule & time of day or evening? If mechanically, could there be a malfunction? Any dips in the lawn or bed, gutters or downspouts slanting more moisture towards the rose? Is the area getting too much water? Is the rose itself getting too much or not enough? Any underplantings holding & releasing moisture? Any of these & more could impact the individual situation & immune resistance of your rose negatively, attracting bugs & disease.
Thinking over any contributing factors may help you rearrange & solve your puzzle. You might try a diluted seaweed spray foliar & root feeding to help boost CG's health. Consider temporarily removing any mulch & later replacing it with fresh, as it may be saturated with spores.
This garden is likely as humid as yours - seldom under 75% & usually closer to 95% in Summer, with frequent rainstorms. The CG here grows in a mixed perennial bed in an ESE exposure 8' out from the front porch. Gets 7-8 hours of sun from midmorning to late afternoon, in clay-based loam amended with gypsum & compost years ago & topped yearly with compost in Spring & oak leaf mulch in Fall. Compost doesn't touch the stems & mulch stops 8-10" inches from them until dormant in cold. Believe these conditions contribute to GC's good health these last 9 years with no antifungal treatments.
Troubleshooting is usually tough but necessary. Was your rose doing better till recently? If so, what's changed? Small changes often have big impacts. Put on your detective hat...
This post was edited by vasue on Fri, Jul 11, 14 at 12:59
Thanks for such thoughtful responses. This is the second year in the ground for GC and last summer it was spotty and disease prone as well. Glad someone pointed out that another rose might have the same problems in this spot, I wouldn't toss the rose before trying it in a different spot but I'd hate to keep rotating roses and seeing no improvement. I made some little changes and am hoping it starts to do better.
Though the spot gets a generous amount of sun (7-8 hrs) I think there were some factors making it more damp than the beds my other roses are in. The grass along the edge was very close and in some places directly underneath the canes. The pergola has a wisteria growing over the top putting the rose, though itself in full sun, on the edge of damp shade. I edged the new, wider bed with stone and pea gravel. We'll see!
Thank you! These are all beautiful! I'm kinda nervous so I think I'll research them all and see which one is best for me. I'm not to picky about scent or color. I think most all roses are beautiful. I'd like to go with the least demanding, since I'm new to roses. I'm also new to this forum so it's exciting to see responses, I didn't think I'd get any!
I'm not in Florida, but I think perhaps that most (if not all) of the Tea-Noisettes* would do well there. If you have root knot nematodes in your soil, look for them (and any other rose) grafted onto 'Fortuniana'.
*Note that many nurseries don't have the category of Tea-Noisette, and you'll find these roses under either Noisette or Climbing Tea. If you do an advanced search on HelpMeFind for Tea-Noisette, you'll find the roses that are put into this unofficial category. You can also take a look at Rogue Valley Roses' inventory of Tea-Noisettes to give you an idea.
:-)
~Christopher
Here is a link that might be useful: Tea-Noisettes at Rogue Valley Roses
I found this rose a few weeks ago at earl may and just had to have it. I am just in love with it already! I can't wait for mine to bloom. (there were several at the nursery with blooms but I didn't buy one with any)
Thanks for sharing your picture! It's just lovely. I am also looking forward to seeing how this overwinters!!
I know I cringe at some of the advice I read on forums. Some is based so much on "yesterday I did this and today I have this result and I googled it and found a study based on a different plant-condition-area and they agree" But what I have found is we tend to over think and over worry about plants, I know I do. They seem to do better if we look at the big picture and give them some time.
Things we did yesterday are highly unlikely to make any difference the next day (other than watering a dried out plant) I also worry that for some one reading some of that type of advice that it makes growing roses sound hard and challenging when that is really not the case most of the time.
Just my thoughts...off to the garden I go (and likely not to do anything other than enjoy my roses and not worry about what they are missing)
This post was edited by Kippy-the-Hippy on Thu, Jul 10, 14 at 13:07
Thanks for all the input folks. I also checked with our local soils testing lab. They said calcium is not usually a problem in our area. So I have 20 lbs. that I will either give away or use limitedly on the garden and yard areas until it is gone. That way it will not overload the soils causing any soils salts problems and be a bit beneficial.
That rose labeled "Heirloom" looks right to me. I don't mean to be rude, but whoever writes the descriptions of rose smells makes as much sense to me as the people who write wine flavor descriptions. I never taste a "hint of chocolate with coffee undertones" in wine, and with rose smells, my nose can't get beyond basics like "smells pretty." (I can tell basic differences, but not by much.) So if your bud up there smells pretty, I'm guessing it's Heirloom. Enjoy! It's a great rose.
The white bud I think could also be Honor.
I started out with roses from the $5 sale bin at Orchard Supply Hardware. I don't buy from big box stores now because I'm worried about what they spray, and I'm trying to make a haven for bees and other insects in the middle of Los Angeles (I am succeeding wildly with aphids and Japanese beetles. Oh, and thrips!). But I still have those old $5 ones, and many of them are, simply, classics I treasure: Peace, Queen Elizabeth, Mr. Lincoln, Tiffany, Gemini, Blue Girl, Icebergs. Land prices are so high in Los Angeles, almost all the old nurseries which were here 10 years ago are, simply, gone, with older owners retiring and selling out the land the developer makes into something else.
Dr. Pekemom, if you're not familiar with it, hightail it out to Agoura on the 101 to Sperling Nursery. Marvelous place with some pretty great plants and service. Apparently the elderly owner passed and his adult children don't want the nursery. Per some long time employees, the place is up for sale. It's pretty much certain it will become another auto dealer. Definitely worth the visit! Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Sperling Nursery
Congratulations Terrance! Take a look at the link below for John Allen, a previously discovered double Arkansana. There is also R. Arkansana "Woodrow", a double form which I have grown, lost and would love to grow again. You can see it at this address, also on Help Me Find-Roses. Kim
Woodrow
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.43075&tab=1
Here is a link that might be useful: John Allen
Ann attempted to describe the problems involved in trying to identify if a rose is infected with rose rosette virus. Another way of appreciating this is too see what percentage of plants that appear to have rose rosette virus infections actually are infected:
"Rose Rosette Disease, otherwise known as Rose Rosette Virus, is an ever increasing problem in Texas, particularly in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. In 2013, the Texas Plant Disease Diagnostic Lab received thirty-one symptomatic samples of different rose varieties that were tested for Rose Rosette Virus. Of those thirty-one samples, ten returned with positives finds."
The above quote is from the following 2014 paper presented at a meeting.:
Title: "Attempts in extracting RNA from eriophyid mites in search for Rose Rosette Virus"
Authors: A. BRAKE (1), M. Giesbrecht (2), K. Ong (2)
(1) Texas A&M University, College Station, TX, U.S.A.; (2) Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service, College Station, TX, U.S.A.
Abstracts published: Phytopathology 104(Suppl. 2):S2.2
Here is a link that might be useful: link for above meeting paper abstract
Henry,
Interesting catch, I wonder if they kept track of where on the rose the mites were recovered.
Also take a look at page 11 of the abstracts and the abst on wheat streak mosaic. Dr. Jensen, now retired, told me a decade ago to watch what scientists found about diseases related to RRD as there would never be heavy funding for RRD research. His involvement was with WSM.
You mentioned using Jasmine to climb on the fence, but that you weren't sure about having to trim it every year. I have another suggestion you might like -- Type 2 Clematis. I have similar fencing in my yard, and also with the "pretty side" facing the neighbors. I bought a 7' X 100' roll of deer netting for very cheap, and nailed it against the posts (not the slats) of the fence. This made an almost invisible "trellis", and because it was attached to the posts on the backside of the fence, allowed a few inches of space from the slats. I also have some roses I'm training against the fence, but you can skip that part.
After weaving the first stems into the netting, all they needed was a little guidance as they grew to go in the direction I wanted. In a couple of years, they'll form a wall of leaves and blooms against the fence. And the Type 2 Clematis generally don't "need" pruning to continue blooming in late Spring and late Summer every year. You could also alternate Type 3 Clematis between them, since they bloom in the gap-time of the Type 2, but you'll have to label them so you know to prune them hard every Spring (they bloom on new wood).
These pics are from May and June, and the Clematis were planted only this year, but it gives you an idea of how easily they utilize the netting as a trellis. I'll have to take more pics to show how much the Clematis have grown already.
:-)
~Christopher
Seril thanks for the advice! And Vasue thanks for ideas on how to get it in back of the SUV, sounds like you might has done this a few times :). I should be getting it this weekend and will get it in the ground as soon as possible and keep my fingers crossed it makes it! I'm a little nervous because she has it in a pot for the last few weeks and I'm not sure of its condition. Is My Girl a bushy rose bush?
Surprisingly, found pairs of Kordes' Golden Gate climbers & Belinda's Dream shrubs at Lowes this Spring. Much greater variety than in recent years. They were offering truckloads of floribundas & hybrid teas at intervals, mostly out of patent classics but some newer patented ones as well. By this time of year, rose deliveries mostly over (sigh). Still check them out any time I'm in town, hoping they'll happily surprise again.
Looking for a replacement Fragrant Cloud this year, a couple of nurseries carried poor & neglected choices. Stopped at Lowes & came away with a great specimen, as well as one of the Smooth Touch roses (Smooth Angel) for a high-traffic spot on the back deck. Very pleased with this year's roses from Lowes. Golden Celebration came from there years ago before local nurseries offered it & continues to excel.
Seil, a beautiful bloom! Do they last? Any disease problems? BS? Is it a producer? Love the shape and color of the bloom. Reminds me do Autumn Splendor.
Thanks!
No disease so far. The bloom lasted a couple of days but like I said I missed the beginning some how.
Ky, I have my first Autumn Splendor about to open so I'll be able to compare them!