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buford(7 NE GA)

That looks great Christopher. You are going to be rewarded for your hard work with great soil and roses.

One of the dead roses I had to dig up was in a spot I've been amending with just compost and mulch for a few years. The previous red clay was more like fluffy cake mix when I dug into it. It was so nice......

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 8:06AM
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charleney(8a PNW)

My mulch is so beautiful.....About 5 or so yards of horse manure in my driveway. Will wait to spread till after kiddies have Easter Egg hunt. It smells like roses to me. But to some of the Mommies it may not. Best gift, I have gotten in years. Wow! Am I just dancing. Yeah it will bring up a few weeds, but I am prepared for them.
We have plenty of moisture being in PNW, but I still like 3 to 4 in. down.
Love to you all, you MULCHERS!

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 10:22PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

You can cut back to the graft (if it's grafted) or to the root ball. This winter was very hard on my roses and even after pruning off what I thought was all the dead stuff, I would see new brown and black on canes that looked healthy before. Just keep cutting back until you see white pith (the filling in side the cane. Anything brown or black or reddish should come off. Roses are very resilient. Some that I cut down to nothing a few weeks ago pumped out new growth and have buds already.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 1:59PM
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socks

I cut a Tropicana down as far as I could, thinking to dig it out since it's such a miserable mildew magnet. I did not have the strength to dig it and just left it to rot in the ground, which of course it did not do. Instead it sprouted healthy new growth. It's not sucker growth either, its Tropicana. Give it a try.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 9:04PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

jasminerose, that's such a gorgeous picture. Would you please tell me the name of these beautiful roses? It looks somewhat like Annie Laurie McDonnell, but of course there are umpteen fluffy pink roses. The lilac-pink colored roses and blue vase are perfect partners.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 2:01PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Hi Ingrid. Yes, that is Annie Laurie McDowell. The way I can spot Annie is by her lack of thorns. Good call!

This post was edited by jasminerose4u on Sun, Apr 20, 14 at 1:57

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 8:01PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

For many roses, it takes 3 years before they fully mature, but yes, sticks in early spring may well fill out into robust bushes with buds and blooms by mid-summer.

Kate

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 9:13AM
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DNTQuilter

Thank you, Kate. Went to the nursery today to buy Bacto soil for the bare roots that are ordered. Well, didn't the potted roses arrive? Just planted a Sterling Silver and a, hmmm, Dark Night. I hope that's the name of it. Jeez, old age must be setting in.

Scott

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 4:50PM
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roseseek

Much of the time, I simply snap off or cut the spent flowers at the point of abscission, that "joint" where the peduncle joins the cluster stem. It's where the hip or dead ovary (if no hip forms) usually falls off by itself. I do it simply to maintain the look of the plants. In my climate, they don't usually form hips, but they can if you're in a cooler, damper area. I allow them all to grow where they want for much of the summer so they generate a fuller display. Of course, if you're more neurotic about forcing them to grow where you want them to grow, or if they are in restricted spots where you can't generally allow them to grow where they want (such as obstructing paths, etc.) you can prune them above the leaf bud pointing in the direction you want/need them to grow in. In these parts, they are healthier, more vigorous and in color much more of the time if you allow them to do what they want. It's usually a lot easier and prettier to let them take the lead, too. The more leaves on the plant, the more food it produces, hence the healthier it is with more flowers, so if you can let it grow as it wants for the season, it will reward you with a prettier, more continuous show.

If you just want to, or must prune it, take it to the bud pointing where you want it to grow. Otherwise, remove the ugly flowers and leave it alone until "pruning time", when you can take off what you want. I usually don't remove more than about one third of the plant unless I must due to space, damage, etc. I hope that helps give you ideas how to manage your Icebergs. Kim

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 10:55PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

I cut them back a little after every round of bloom, about 12" or a little more, rounding off the plant every time so it looks shrubby. Over the long growing season here, they maintain a prettier appearance that way. The repeat bloom is better, though the interval is a little longer. Just my personal preference. Of course, mine are very well established (14 years). Young plants, less is better.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 1:46AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Great use of color and the background tree (Eucalyptus ?) adds to the whole compostion.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2014 at 5:04PM
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martinca_gw

Thank you, iris gal. Can't take credit for that, though. Just putting in my roses where they'll fit. I do love the JJ and cm colors together.
Hope pic isn't upside down. I google for info,, and seems this is an ongoing problem without a fix. ;(

    Bookmark   April 19, 2014 at 1:20AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

One factor to consider is how fast the fertilizer breaks down into a form that the plant roots can make use of. One thing about "organic" fertilizers is that they must first break down via soil bacteria, fungus, earthworms...so timing would be effective if you knew how fast the nutrients make their conversion--or if you used an instantly available chemical fertilizer--maybe foliage feed--if you believe in foliar feeding...

A study done by the UC agricultural division found that roses have their maximum need for nutrients when they are in full bloom. This study was done in greenhouse conditions with the roses in a hydroponic solution. The amount of fertilizer absorption was precisely measured by seeing how much fertilizer was removed from the hydroponic solution by the plant roots, allowing for degradation, evaporation, ect. So giving roses a quick acting fertilizer at full bloom might give you maximum results.

However, simply providing moderate, steady amounts of nutrients in the form of compost and regularly applied organic fertilizers will likely do just as well. Experiment and see what works for you.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 5:56PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you hoovb for the sensible advice.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 10:02PM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

Oh how I love the enthusiam, photos, and sharing on this thread! Thanks all!!! I love lavender roses with a passion. So far my experience has been that I can grow them beautifully, no spray in my semi-arid garden. You've started off my morning on such a happy note! Thanks again. :-)

    Bookmark   November 10, 2013 at 10:30AM
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dani33

I am looking for a lavender rose for zone 6b that need spraying. I like Fragrant Plum, Royal Amethyst, Barbara Streisand & Charles de Gaulle.. would any of these fit the bill or could you suggest one that will? Ty

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 9:12PM
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thedogsLL(6B)

The more I learn about roses, the more I find I need to learn. Hmm.
Thank you, Henry.
Lynn T

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 7:26PM
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henry_kuska

GROWTH INHIBITOR ACCUMULATES IN THE NUTRIENT SOLUTION OF CLOSED SYSTEM ROSE CULTIVATION"
"See:

http://www.actahort.org/books/697/697_66.htm

Here is a link that might be useful: Link for article that roots give off an ihhibitor

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 8:09PM
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lauraja_rocketmail_com

In WI with too much shade, it blooms beautifully, with lovely coral-orange blossoms!!

    Bookmark   June 11, 2011 at 11:20PM
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caribbeancupcake

Hi, Advice appreciated. Trying to select new coral/orange rose for 60 foot planter.I have had great success with landscape rose called Drift in coral in my succulent garden.
they bloom continuously need no care but are not what I want for new planter. Currently have Ficus Repens and Hydrangea in the planter but it is just too sunny for hydrangea.They get leaf burn and I need to move them back to other side of the house where they did well. Roses I am considering are Coral Beauty,Carefree Celebration,Matchless Mother, Grand-Duc Henri, Tintinara, and Memories. I really love a larger blousey type of blooms and the landscape roses are great at a distance but small blooms.The planter is deep and 24 " wide and not enclosed on the bottom for good drainage.I want to be able to cut blooms for the house. Sun & water are no problem but choosing ten of the right roses is the challenge. All advice appreciated.Ficus is out of control as I am trying to espalier it and supports not all in yet.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 6:40PM
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zjw727(Coastal Oregon Zone 8b)

I ordered a band of this from Rogue Valley- love at first sight! The scent is incredible, and the both of the two bands appear to be very healthy and vigorous. I'm excited!

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 1:12PM
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twrosz

Yes, Zachary, isn't the scent amazing! This is a rose that should be much more widely grown and enjoyed by others. Please keep us updated as to how the plant develops for you.

T

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 2:02PM
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Maryl zone 7a

The Tulsa Rose garden, at one time one of the largest in the United States, has revised it's RRV fatality list from 1/2 of the roses infected last fall to 2/3 of the roses infected with this years new burst of spring growth. Even more roses (100%?) may be infected and eliminated from the garden. They will not replant display roses until some sort of viable solution is found. Until then it will be planted with other ornamentals. They have plans to be a test garden for resistant RRV roses, but I don't know if they will follow through with that. Ironically the initial large breakout of RRV started in a long hedge of Knockout roses. They have had small outbreaks off and on for years, and I remember confirming my first case of RRV back in 1988 with the park horticulturalist. Last year I lost more roses then usual myself. Currently I do not have plans to replace them either. The mites are carried on the wind, and if there is anything Oklahoma has in abundance it's wind. Sad to see over 3,000 roses destroyed at this once beautiful park by this disease..........Maryl

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 2:24AM
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    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 10:50AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Hmmm....that's interesting! We don't have an attic in our garage - but I imagine you could just have it lift them up to whatever height you want - for example onto a shelf. I'm going to show this to my husband. Thank you so much for thinking of me!! :)

As to the grafts - I did at first - but now I don't, and there's no need. Our garage is insulated and we cover with a lot of blankets. Right now there's snow outside - but I've taken off the the blankets from the roses. The canes are such a lovely green color. They are so pretty to me - just the canes alone. :)

Hope your garage lift goes well - and I'll tell my hubby. Thanks!!
Carol

    Bookmark   April 16, 2014 at 12:02PM
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sowandgrow

I don't really have a loft, it's more a four foot high area over part of the garage. Good thing I am short, but what's a little aching back for more roses. I was just admiring my lovely green canes this past weekend. Did you ever take the temp in your garage this past winter? Mine is insulated on two sides so I think it should work. After looking at your picture of Queen of Sweden I had to have one. Thanks for posting it.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 8:28AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Prickles - Kippy says that the plonk is Young Lycidas. So it's an Austin, and not Yves Piaget. Gorgeous though, isn't it!!!

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 12:15AM
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prickles(Los Angeles, CA)

Sorry... My bad.. A little confusion here.

Thanks Kippy. I guess horse manure does wonder!

    Bookmark   April 18, 2014 at 12:47AM
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henryinct

Years ago I did the same thing. Pile on some good soil so that the graft is buried one inch such that the mound has a bowl in the middle. Then put on 1-2 inches of mulch.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2014 at 9:41PM
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henry_kuska

If you can bend one of the canes so that that part of the cane can buried for several inches, it wiil form roots at that point. See:

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/hil/hil-8701.html

Here is a link that might be useful: link for layering article

    Bookmark   April 17, 2014 at 9:52PM
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