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For growth habit, remontancy (repeat bloom) and fragrance GOLDEN CELEBRATION is hard to beat. There is a gracefulness to the shrub that works wonderfully in cottage gardens and the very strong fruity fragrance is the best that I've smelled on any yellow rose to date. All that being said to be grown successfully here in black spot hell it must be sprayed with a fungicide - and not just once in a while but consistently every week or else.
Which is why I settled for GRAHAM THOMAS. I not only like the color better (GC's golden yellow color is very deep and lacks the luminescent quality that you get with GT) but the foliage can get by with my erratic spraying. I'm growing him own root as a short climber and have been very pleased with his performance. Decent repeat bloom too, not as prolific as GC, Julia Child or Molineux but there is usually at least one or two blooms on the plant at all times after the profuse spring flush. I can see why this rose is considered a classic.
Neither rose is particularly thorny, which is something that I appreciate.
I don't have Graham Thomas but I do have two Golden Celebration - one is grafted, the other own root. The grafted rose was planted in May 2012 and the own root 12 months later, so they're both relatively young.
The first year I had no black spot whatsoever, however this past Summer was very humid (normally our Summers are very hot and dry) and both plants suffered terribly with BS. So did every other rose in my garden apart from one rugosa. That said, GC continued to bloom prolifically and the perfume is really wonderful.
I don't know that my experience in Zone 9 (b) equiv. will be of much use, but I just thought I'd let you know my experience.
Cheers
Tricia
Well, an acquaintance of mine who also works for a public garden up here had adviced me to use dormant oil in the spring. I will try it this upcoming spring to see if that works.
I was thinking that in the upcoming Spring, I may cut the bottom leaves off from each plant. I figure if there is no leaves at the bottom to get wet, it may reduce down BS. Well in theory anyways.
I feel bad reading this post because I did not winterize my roses at all and I live in Canada, the Great white North. We had our first snowfall yesterday here in Toronto.
Well, I believe that if a rose can't survive our winter than they are not worth keeping.
I agree with Seil for not bringing roses indoor as they are not houseplants. Well the exception is mini roses.
Thanks, Pattyw5!!! I love Northland Rosarium's roses and I LOVE visiting their wonderful garden. It's in the same town that I live in, but it is in a much more rural area than mine. Great folks there!!! :)
Here is a link that might be useful: Northland Rosarium
It's easier to see all of the Classes of roses they carry by this link. :)
Here is a link that might be useful: Northland Rosarium Roses by Class
Eureka ... There WAS an active Las Vegas Rose Society .. Some of it may remain. Try the American Rose SocIety Website.
Also, look to Rose groups in Southern AZ and other desert areas.
Start to build a list of GOOD roses, and recommended rose culture techniques for desert conditions.
Where I live in CA, the temps in the summer are about as hot as Vegas and this last summer Vegas was often cooler then we were! When I started rose gardening, I read the book, Roses in a Desert Garden. It was very helpful for me when growing my own roses. Might want to see if your local library has a copy you could read. We are also under water restrictions so that adds fuel to the fire when trying to grow roses.
I learned that a lot of roses need afternoon shade when it gets to be 105-117 degrees. I prefer to grow roses on their own root as I have to muIch very heavily due to heat and water restrictions (we can only water twice a week during the summer and not at all during the winter). Some of my older roses not on their own roots have started reverting back to root stock, so those are coming out this year with some not so great performers in the heat.
Best of luck to you on this challenge. The people you serve will be better off with your knowledge.
I love Ralph Moore roses. I had Sweet Chariot at one time as a standard but don't anymore. Wasn't one of my favorites as the flowers shattered easily but it was a pretty little rose. Good bloomer for me.
My favorite is probably Lavender Crystal. What a little beauty! I had her as a standard and then when I pruned her, stuck a twig in the ground and it grew. The "stem" for the standard was not doing well, so I now just have her on her own root. I love her flowers and she is pretty much always in bloom for me. Gets to be about two to three feet tall and about 2 feet wide or so. Large flowers for a mini.
I also have a bi-colored rose that I don't know the name of from him. Nice mini. The color is almost a burnt pink on the edges that fades into a lighter color on the same petal. Interesting coloring. It is a strange color and I may have to move it this year as I don't think it gets enough water where it is located. Not sure I would get this one again but I got it for the strange coloration on the petals.
I have Sequoia; a nice yellow mini as well.
I have, I think, a Pink Powderpuff. It is a huge climber with wonderful full pink flowers. Very tall (probably about 10-12 feet or so. I wish it bloomed more but I do love the rose. Stands up to our heat. Mean thorns on this one.
Then I also have the rose that he bred Diamond Anniversary. It is a beautiful little mini. Took a while to get it as he was constantly out of it but sent one to my folks (for their 65th wedding anniversary even though this one is named after the 60th wedding anniversary). A very nice mini.
I also have the Birthday Cake rose. Interesting colors on this one. It has taken a while to get into a bush shape (I bought it as a small, barely rooted twig on its own root and have only had it for two years--if that). It is still quite small but I expect it to start leaping this coming spring.
I love and miss Ralph. I wish I had room for more of his roses.
Hi everyone. I have been stalking for more than 3 years now and I am finally ready to come out from hiding. LoL.
I just wanted to say that I have grown Peace twice. The first time I bought it was a strong bushy plant with robust canes from Home Depot. I had planted it at the right side of my backyard and it died after the first winter. Nevertheless in its short life, it was bushy and seemed to be thriving but had blackspot like crazy.
Two years later I bought another Peace at a local gardening centre and decided to plant it on the left side of the garden. This bush rarely had blackspot except near the end of fall and is a blooming machine with big blooms. It only stopped blooming near the end of October. (FYI: I live in Toronto, Canada). However, my Peace seems to be more yellow with less pink than most other people's I've seen.
Therefore based on my experience I have to say that it all depends on location (the first location I've eventually noticed is more shady and waterlogged while I noticed roses in the second location to be have less blackspot) and the health of the plant itself.
Based on this experience, I have decided to grow Graham Thomas again (which I bought a second time this summer) and Marilyn Monroe (which died last winter but will purchase next spring).
I hope that helps.
Melissa, I bought Rosette Delizy from ARE, it arrived with a lot of black canes, first trim back after a week of keeping it in the open shade to see if the canes were live and just dark or dead, I had half of the shipped plant alive. The die back continued, cut off another half trying to keep it alive, cut off another half, what survived is one side of the 3" cane and a 6" lateral. Note I cut about 1/4" below the black with cleaned prunners trying to only cut in clean wood with out cutting off too much. I have sent photos back and forth to ARE and Mike and we are watching it for now to see it it might make it. I has been two months and has stopped dying back and is showing signs of life.
I am guessing it is a rose not to have shipped that distance, there was some one else that posted previously with a similar problem with the same plant.
I did get a nice looking General Schablikine that is doing well and a Mlle de Sombreuil that is small but only had a couple of canes die back (shipped with Rosette Delizy)
I am enjoying Mike's Book, it wonderful.
But after ordering from 5 different nurseries, I am not seeing a vast difference in purchasing bands vs 1gs.
So, to me, the price difference between pot sizes is not something I worry about, but the difference in stock/variety availability is what is important.
Okay I talked to the owner or RVR today and she said she's defineately planning to introduce Dakota Redwing spring 2015, assuming all goes well with the crop. She believes it will sell out fast and reccomends anyone wanting it should put it on their wish list or sign up for their newsletter.
As for Carolyn Supinger (they have it under Carol Supinger), she hopes to have it introduced in the summer to early fall 2015.
She said they've been fighting drought and other issues, so she doesn't know for sure if they'll be able to introduce these roses, but if all goes well her plan is to introduce them at the times mentioned.
Edit:
I meant to say she doesn't know for sure if they'll be able to introduce the roses NEXT YEAR. She does plan to introduce them as early as possible.
This post was edited by Rosecandy on Mon, Nov 17, 14 at 13:28
they are not houseplants...
you will do more harm.. leaving them indoors.. with insufficient light..
than you will .. exposing to what you might think is cold ...
you are on the verge of loving them to death ...
in a pot that big.. see if you cant get someone to come by.. once a week ... to water ... and if you cant... just water real heavy for a few days prior.. to get the media nice an moist.. and hope for the best ...
ken
Pulled out Shrub Roses and Climbing Roses ('93) to check on Austin's definitions from the included Glossary.
BUSH. I use this word to describe closely pruned bedding roses, as for example a Hybrid Tea.
BUSHY SHRUB. A rose of dense, rounded growth.
SHRUB. A rose that is normally pruned lightly and allowed to grow in a more natural form, as opposed to a bush which is pruned close to the ground.
SPREADING SHRUB. A shrub on which the branches tend to extend outwards rather than vertically.
UPRIGHT SHRUB. A rose in which the growth tends to be vertical.
ARCHING SHRUB. A shrub in which the long main branches bend down towards the soil, usually in a graceful manner.
In my head a border is usually a narrower strip backed by something else. It "borders" a fence or wall of a house or even a walk/drive way. But it's not too wide and is usually longer in length than depth. Usually the taller plants are to the rear of the viewing angle with shorter ones in front. If it's free standing along a walk or drive way where it can be viewed from both sides you can put taller in the center with shorter on either side.
A bed can be anything else, square, round, free form, big or small, whatever shape or size you need or want. It can be free standing in the middle of a lawn or against a house, building or wall but it's deeper than a border. It can be uniform in height or it can also have taller focal points in the center or a key area surrounded or filled in with shorter plants. Whatever allows the plants to be seen unobstructed and at their best from the viewing point, i.e. good curb appeal!
I think either one can be formal or not depending on what you put in them and how you arrange it. I don't particularly like a too formal look to my garden so mine are pretty much a riot of different colors, textures and shapes. I tend to over fill them (because there;s always something else I want, lol) so they look a bit big and blowsy. That's the look I like though. Nothing too neat or rigid for me. I like a more relaxed and natural looking arrangement of plants. Only humans plant in neat little rows. Mother Nature never does!
Early on (before I knew about the virused rose situation) many of my commercial roses had a life time of about 5 years. Later on, I did not keep roses with virus symptoms. I am a hybridizer and did not want to take the chance of producing a virused offspring and / or infecting my valuable seedlings..
The latest tool for virus identification seems to next generation sequencing.
The research paper below reports finding PNRSV in wild multiflora by what they call "deep sequencing"..
"A bizarre virus-like symptom of a leaf rosette formed by dense small leaves on branches of wild roses (Rosa multifloraâÂÂThunb.), designated as âÂÂwild rose leaf rosette diseaseâ (WRLRD), was observed in China."
"The assembly of siRNAs led to the reconstruction of the complete genomes of three known viruses, namely Apple stem grooving virus (ASGV), Blackberry chlorotic ringspot virus (BCRV) and Prunus necrotic ringspot virus (PNRSV), and of a novel virus provisionally named âÂÂrose leaf rosette-associated virusâ (RLRaV)."
H. Kuska comment: Although they call their procedure "Deep sequencing" it appears to be similar to "next generation sequencing" see below.
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In the U.S. Professor Tzanetakis (whose research group was the first to identify Rose Rosette Virus) has recently published a paper on next generation sequencing.
Title: "Development of a virus detection and discovery pipeline using next generation sequencing."
Authors : Thien Ho , Ioannis E. Tzanetakis
"The pipeline was used to process more than 30 samples resulting in the detection of all viruses known to infect the processed samples, the extension of the genomic sequences of others, and the discovery of several novel viruses. VirFind was tested by four external users with datasets from plants or insects, demonstrating its potential as a universal virus detection and discovery tool."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682214004437
Here is a link that might be useful: link to Chinese paper and PNRSV
A few of the old tea roses in our garden were planted by my DH's great grandfather & grandfather. I know of 3 huge ones that lived approx 100 years.
Jackie
My brother now lives in the house where we grew up. Our mother planted her roses in the late 1950s early 60's. Of the roses she planted (all of which would have been grafted), Oklahoma and Super Star plus one whose name I don't remember, are still growing well and flowering prolifically every year - so that's at least 55+ years - and these roses are basically left to their own devices.
Tricia