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I would say with pretty good certainty that it is RR. As a mature plant, it is very thorny as Ann Cecilia pointed out, but on an immature plant with non-hardened canes, you can't really judge it solely based on that. It is definitely not Dublin Bay, nor a Rugosa.
All this said, there are a number of reds that look very similiar, but I do believe it to be an immature RR.
Lela - Good luck trying to keep the deer away. I agree about Tiffany, I've seen many blooms of this rose and it is truly gorgeous. The touch of yellow really does add to its beauty. The picture here is my best one so far, it is from my spring flush this year.
Maggie, the rose slugs are probably gone now. But if some of them are still there, washing off the underside of the leaves will get rid of them, along with the mites.
It's amazing -- but really, the most effective solution isn't a chemical . . . it's something as simple as water at high pressure.
To be truthful, this is a great deal of fun, on a hot summer day.
Thank you, but Heirloom Roses sells it (it was in stock this past spring). I just don't think I'm the only person who's been interested in this rose, and I'd like opinions and experiences from those who own or have owned it. I appreciate your suggestion, though!
Thanks to everyone for all your information regarding the aphids and ladybugs. I NEVER use chemicals in my garden so I know I'm not hindering lady bugs from going on all my roses. So far, I've just been either hosing them off or putting on my thin rubber gloves and spritzing them with my water, oil and soap mixture and removing them by hand. I was just wondering if they would crawl back on the roses after hosing them off. I love the photo (above) with the lady bugs on the leaf. Thanks for posting it Holly. That leaf sure looks healthy to me.
My experience is similar to Holly's. I released many of them this spring twice weekly over two weeks. The aphids had already infested so I will get on it earlier this year. However, I've seen ladybugs here all summer and lots of ladybug love going on. It's great to see the larvae.
I also bought praying mantis pods and they hatched! I scattered about 800 praying mantis around my yard. Have seen a fewâ¦
Susan
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I wouldn't do anything. Surely not add anything else to the mix except to keep them well watered. Don't stress them out further. Water and time maybe...
This post was edited by kentstar on Tue, Jul 1, 14 at 17:07
Right, don't fertilize until they have recovered and have put out plenty of leaves. Bloom Buster is the wrong kind of fertilizer--regular Miracle Gro or Miracle Gro for Roses is fine, or any reasonably balanced fertilizer such as 10-10-10 or 18-6-12.
Watering correctly is the most important thing. Keep a 2" mulch of leaves or bark around the roses. When the soil under the mulch feels dry-ish, water thoroughly with 2-3 gallons for small plants or 5 gallons for larger, plus or minus for extremely hot or very mild, cloudy weather. Usually once a week is fine. For new plants, I divide the ration in half and water twice a week.
There are probably a couple of reason that could explain it. The older ones have been growing in different conditions than the newer ones, such as soil and weather, that could explain the difference. It's also possible that the earlier ones were a different Morden rose. There are several different ones and a few of them are a brighter solid pink, Morden Belle, Morden Centennial and Morden Ruby.
I've grown Secret (first year bare root) and I grow Secret's Out, the white sport of Secret. Neither have ever demonstrated any symptoms of RMV, though I know that doesn't mean they aren't infected, they just haven't shown symptoms. Both have been great roses in high heat with not terribly hard winters. I understand from friends who tried growing it in Ohio that it is not terribly winter hardy for harsher climates. I can verify this rose LOVES water! It flourishes where it can be drowned regularly. When Secret's Out hesitates flowering, I bump up the water and it responds with many buds. It demands much more water than any of the surrounding roses. You'll have best form and color if you can protect it from the harshest afternoon sun. Keep it far away from hardscape, no side walks or walls/fences. Increased heat increases its thirst for even MORE water. Kim
Kim -- Back when 'Secret' was new, we had 3 of it.
One came from J&P, one from Weeks, and the third, I think, was Coiner-grown.
ALL of them at one time or another, demonstrated minor evidence of virus. The Coiner rose, in some years, broke out so it looked like a very lively paisley scarf.
And YET . . . The Coiner plant, despite that, was by far the more vigorous of the 3, and so remained here for years after removal of HTs began.
FWIW . . .
Soak them in buckets several hours or days before planting. Then soak them in with a lot of water, over 5 gallons, to settle the soil. Don't tamp clay soil or even step on it when it is wet. Then mound the plants or spray with an anti-transpirant to prevent dehydration. Remove any white shoots that are exposed above the mound, as they will not survive in the sun.
The initial watering with last for 2-3 weeks in winter. When new growth appears through the mound (about a month), reduce the mound with a flow of water from the hose, or very carefully remove it by hand--new shoots are very fragile.
Young plants will use 2-3 gallons of water per week in spring, or twice that when they are 3 feet wide in hot weather. You can fertilize very lightly once they are leafed out.
As to soil preparation, best practice is to prepare the bed uniformly rather than deep holes with special soil. I dig 12" deep with a few inches of manure or finished compost (compost in the US sense, not UK sense). Alkaline soil may need a pH adjustment. Maintain a mulch of organic material 2-3 inches deep at all times. This will improve the soil over the years. Take great care never to compact the soil when it is wet.
This post was edited by michaelg on Tue, Jul 1, 14 at 9:55
Gorgeous color! That must really stand out in your garden with its vibrant color, and it smells good to boot is a extra plus. Thanks for sharing!
Mine gets horrific disease, I'm sorry to say. I just got it last spring (2013), so maybe it will grow out of that. I'm adding a picture of it from last December (center pot). Brother's Grimm, Dark Night and Grandmother's Hat were the worst fungal offenders last year.