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bunnicula03(z6b NJ)

"I was lucky enough to get a few from Two Sisters before they closed. So sad."

You can still order from Two Sisters, even though they've officially closed. They still have quite a few roses left. Just send an email.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 4:35PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

I have always envied central Californians their proximity to Reagans and their convenience at shopping a middle man who has brought together a huge collection of interesting roses.

If we lose them, it will hurt the producers who have had a known number of sales. That's bad. Yes, I can still go to the original producers, but I want the producers to have as healthy a business as possible.

Without knowing what percentage of their business is walk in vs. mail and ship bare roots, it's impossible to guess where they might go. There are parts of the country where land prices aren't as dear; but how many such places have so many rose fanatics ready to buy roses?

No easy answers.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 5:33PM
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Leah45(6a)

Thanks Christopher. I love roses, but still have limited experience growing them. I was steeling myself to rip the cane out and I'm relieved to have a second opinion.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:37PM
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jacqueline9CA

Yes, that is Brother Cadfael. As you grow in experience growing roses, you will see that depending on the age of the bush, the weather, the soil, water, food, etc., they can and will surprise you. The older the rose (that is, the type of rose, not the specific bush) the more variable they can be, in my experience.

I have old tea roses which can vary in color, size of bloom, shape of bloom (!), etc., all depending on the season & weather. I love that they do that. Here is a picture of my rose which varies the most in color - it is the old tea rose 'Anna Olivier'. Normally its blooms are buff with a sort of brick color splotch on the reverse of the petals, but as you can see from this picture, the blooms can also be pale yellow or pale pink. The buds are normally a pale pink, but the ones in this picture are much darker.

If you look at any rose on HMF which has lots of pictures, you will usually see this sort of variability, even in some modern roses. Since the Austin roses were bred with some old types originally, perhaps it is not surprising to see some variability.

Jackie

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 3:33PM
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canadianplant

I may have slightly better luck then you. I am going to mulch it, and on top of that we have very reliable snow fall.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 10:53AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

There is some information at HelpMeFind. One of the commenters was growing it in zone 5. Many favorable comments.

Here is a link that might be useful: HMF

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 12:08PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Do remember that this is not a public forum--GW can set whatever parameters it wishes because it "owns" it.

Over the years, they have tended to discourage conversations that include the topic of banned posters.

On the other hand, I was a bit surprised to see a "gossipy" thread on this forum. Those usually do appear over on the Conversation side.

Not that I personally care much, one way or another, however.

Kate

This post was edited by dublinbay on Fri, Jun 27, 14 at 11:11

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 9:55AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

I wonder if the ban on a certain California grower still exists? Long after 'Spike' sold GW (Spike loathed that grower because Spike thought that the grower was trying to publicize his selling roses in his signature line, which he was), any mention of that grower still set off bells and whistles and got zapped, fast.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 10:57AM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

I am surprised at this report. I thought the east coast had been fighting RRD for years, and the surprised was when it crossed the Mississippi.

Sammy

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 6:51AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a(6b/7a)

No surprise to me. It has been in NJ (and PA) for a very long time. Ann and Larry Peck came to visit one of our district conventions years ago, and Ann gave a wonderful talk. One of our younger district members helped with some research, but still nothing new to "crack the case".

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 9:27AM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Fantastic! I hope it does well for you and lots of pretty babies. Please keep us posted!

BTW- I did a cross of Sugar moon x Betty Boop. The hip has started to swell and hasn't turned brown. Is this a sign it took? (my 1st try too)

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:07AM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

PS- am i supposed to leave the foil on all season? I took it off after 3 days ....

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:32AM
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First HT Bloom of the SeasonThis is Kordes Perfecta.
Posted by Susanne27(5a Ontario Canada) June 26, 2014
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Oh my goodness - that's beautiful!!!! So soft looking. I love the color.
Carol

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:15AM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

You should be very happy! First bloom and so perfect! Thanks for sharing

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:29AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Thanks! I'm hoping that at least one of them will take. It would make Al very happy that he succeeded!

    Bookmark     June 25, 2014 at 6:33PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Please let us know how it goes. I'm wishing the best of luck for a happy healthy tree.

    Bookmark     June 27, 2014 at 1:04AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

No, it needs to make more shoots from the base, which should come soon if it has enough water and nutrients to grow.

Normal-size climbers like 'Compassion' are best grown on a trellis 12-16' wide so you can fan the canes out.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 4:03PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Yeah, it's fine to let the leaves stay unless you are going to stare at them and worry.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 2:55PM
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lazybonz(7a)

Sounds good, Jim.

I will simply resume worrying about everything else and let the leaves be ;)

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 3:09PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Workie, workie, workie. I have a few more in my garden that are dying or flat out dead that I need to get rid of today myself. Looks like a good day for it.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 10:19AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

I got rid of Vavoom a few years ago too. Just didn't like it. Gardens are too small to keep roses we don't love.
Carol

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 2:13PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Sara-Ann, I work back in the mail room. We print 9 papers for different towns here in N.E. GA. I only work Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday 1/2 day. Some weeks can really get crazy. My home rose garden is my relaxation. Taking care of the garden at the office is simple.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 10:41AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Ken - Your situation is quite different than mine. We are one of the newspapers that have our paper printed elsewhere, pretty common for the smaller ones. I can definitely understand how your rose garden is your relaxation. Even with where I work being a small weekly, back in the old days it could get hectic. Modern technology has changed that by speeding up the process.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 1:19PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Vinegar is a herbicide! Oil and soap can burn foliage in hot weather. Please do not use these jackleg kitchen-pantry mixtures that you might see on the internet. In the eastern US, powdery mildew is usually not a severe problem and is easily controlled.

Probably your plants will recover just fine if you are patient and do not "help" them too much. Just water thoroughly every 4-7 days depending on the weather and when the soil surface is dry-ish. Put down a 2" layer of mulch.Don't fertilize until they are growing out happily, and then use less than the label recommends. Best wishes, and come back for advice any time.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 11:40AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

If they have no leaves and it is hot, it would help to give them some shade for the heat of the day, not super pretty but a plastic chair over the plant is an easy way.

There are some home mixes that are probably fine on your roses, but if you find one you want to try, ask here first. Usually some one has already tired it and either knows it works or it doesn't. There are a lot of "organic" mixes posted out there but people often leave out big details on usage and side effects on different plants and how they effect the long term overall health of your garden.

Seems like many of the rose issues we have on my coast could be helped with a spray of water no need for other additives :)

    Bookmark     June 26, 2014 at 11:59AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Each bud eye has multiple potential spots for new canes. HT growers usually remove two of three. In a Tea, I wouldn't bother.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2014 at 9:17PM
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Brooks23(Kentucky zone 6)

jerijen, Thanks for that information. I did not know they could have more that one cane at an eye bud.

I am so glad this group is here and I appreciate all those that looked and helped me.
Best to all, Brooks23

    Bookmark     June 25, 2014 at 11:01PM
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bunnicula03(z6b NJ)

I planted Distant Drums band early this spring and it has been a slow grower for me. i did get 2 flowers and the coloring is pretty, will wait to see how this one does.

    Bookmark     June 24, 2014 at 5:18PM
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ziyakr(6)

Thanks for the pics Jim, now I know what to keep an eye out for next year (fingers crossed). Here is a pic of my Distant Drums, recovered, in my new rose bed.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2014 at 8:54PM
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