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Because your employer likes Austin roses, which are bred to have bloom shapes which resembles that of Old Roses. , you might try introducing your employer to some of the original Old Roses, many of which do particularly well in the South, and hundreds of which
- bloom more often than Austin roses can because they do not have a period of dormancy,
- are beautiful plants, even when not in bloom.
- more information about these on the antique roses page at gardenweb
each of these roses may be seen in photos at helpmefind.com /roses under search and plant.
or on gardenweb under search
-Old Garden "Tea" class ( a totally different class (or group) than Hybrid Tea. Because Tea roses do not go dormant in the winter, and they bloom on short flowering stems, they re-bloom faster than Hybrid Teas or Austin roses, and begin to bloom earlier in spring, and later through autumn.
a few of the more popular Tea roses that I love:
apricot 'Lady Hillingdon' a fragrant apricot rose that I've counted as being in bloom for more than 150 days, ( an average rose flush lasts between 28 and 33 days, during its first bloom cycle of the year with no less than 33% of its full bloom output during that time. (its' pollen is sterile which is why it blooms so much without ever needing to be dead-headed).
Yellow
'Etoile de Lyon' my favorite lemony yellow old garden Tea, it has a scent which is called "delicious" by one author and to me smells of honeysuckle, and fresh cream with vanilla in it.
Yellow/ with some pink. roguevalleyroses.com
Marie Van Houtte (lovely scent, lots of prickles)
Mrs. Dudley Cross similar hues but nearly no prickles.
Golden Yellow
Reve d'Or' can be grown as a 5 and 1/2 foot tall shrub or a climber so can
Alister Stella Gray which is a creamy yolk hue, and which has smaller roses.
White Tea roses
Westside Road Cream Tea (roguevalleyroses.com)
Ducher' is said to do well in the south,
both are very fragrant, and covered with beautiful white roses most of the year.
Mme. Alfred Carriere, a white Tea-Noisette climber which is very popular.
Pink, or pink blend.
Mrs. B.R. Cant
Le Vesuve (China-Tea) very floriferous, has dainty pink blend roses that seem to alight gracefully on the plant like butterflies.
a very attractive plant.
Maman Cochet large pink and cream roses which show some lavender tints.
Red blend
Monsieur Tillier
this and mrs .b.r. cant can grow to be more than 6' tall in two years.
Noisette class
Rosebushes from this class are particularly well foliaged, and most are fragrant, some greatly scented.
-small flowered
-scent is often sweet and spicy, like cloves and roses.
Blush Noisette is very popular in the American South, it was bred there, in c. 1803, by a rice farmer named John Champneys.
Nastarana a white Noisette.
Rosa moschata is a wild white Musk rose that is very fragrant that was used to breed the first Noisette rose. It too is a wonderful garden plant.
I'd ask locally which roses are most disease resistant in your area. The only reason, I believe, that everyone doesn't grow Old Garden Tea and Noisette rosebushes is that they cannot: roses of the 3 evergreen classes are not cold hardy, but we who are fortunate to live in California or the South can grow such wonderful roses.
Plus, roses from the evergreen group do not need to be pruned to bloom at their best.
One need only to remove diseased wood or wood that is out of bounds.
I water my largest evergreen rosebushes only once a month, because many have deep roots that reach lower levels of water in the soil.
Well thats my tuppunce.
Good luck and God bless, I'm sorry if we were rough with you,
Lux.
P.S. all in all, I'd say my evergreen roses need about 1/3rd to 1/2 less care than my Austin roses.
another perk, Old Garden Tea roses grown on their own roots can bloom for more than 50 years, Mr. Austin suggests his rosebushes be replaced after ten years.
Great to hear, Beige! This was a sweltering Summer with the sun more intense than I recall, though that's been building noticeably for several years now. Felt like being in the Florida Keys many days! Coming on the heels of last Winter's extended cold & delayed Spring, double whammy for plants and those who care for them. That you've successfully shepherded them through this difficult year is a real credit to you & to them. The Austin's seem particularly "vocal" about what they do & don't like as individuals, sulking when unhappy & rejoicing when content. Rather a help in learning each's preference, since they make it clear in no uncertain terms.
The roses here get a generous helping of leaf compost spread at their feet a few inches away from the base right about now, later covered with oak leaves as a tuck in for Winter when those fall. By Spring both have further melted into the soil & another helping of compost alone is applied on top. Can't say if I'm feeding the worms or the roses - hopefully both - along with the soil micro-organisms. Happy worms aerate & till this mineral rich clay-based soil to help keep it from waterlogging, adding their fertilizer in the process. If the roses ask for it or I'm feeling frisky, they receive some fish-seaweed Neptune's Harvest during the growing season (watered in or foliar) & maybe compost if more is ready. Don't treat for fungal or other disease besides keeping the surface cleaned of fallen rose leaves & stripping the occasional affected leaflets, and rinsing foliage touched by rare mildew with a gentle water spray when necessary. With this approach in this climate, important to choose roses with disease resistance under similar circumstances.
A number of Austin's have come & gone through the years, though I'm not familiar with recent releases. Those that endured & thrive include Golden Celebration, The Endeavour & Abe Darby. Abe grows in his own spot downwind of other roses, isolated for his tendency to spot at the base when weather conditions push him, but even he does very well in the main, shrugging it off with a little attention to removing maybe 20% of his foliage showing the beginning inroads. The Endeavour blooms its best with high temps, really loving the heat. Its blooms are spectacular with chameleon hues that change daily & solid perfume. Apparently not widely grown, it's happy here. So is Golden Celebration, which blooms generously & continually from early to late. Another rose which Austin offers & which he's used in breeding is Boerner's Aloha, predating but in the style of his English Roses. Thrives here as a bountiful beauty with strong perfume & highly recommend in similar climates.
Keep in mind these are grown in mixed perennial settings, a garden with roses rather than a rose garden. Wishing you continued success with your roses, and a long Indian Summer going forward in which to enjoy them!
Here is a link that might be useful: The Endeavour
This post was edited by vasue on Sun, Oct 19, 14 at 8:57
Thanks for your responses. I managed to get the ship date moved to April. In the meantime, now that I have bought myself some time, I'll do some more research on my choices. I'll definitely give more thought to own-root vs. grafted. When I placed the order I thought own-root was what I was supposed to get and specifically looked for it.
I saw Aschermittwoch (aka Ash Wednesday) growing at Eurodesert in 2011. The flowers appeared quite grey to me, very unusual. It's a climber. My mother used to grow the hybrid tea Blue Girl. Its flowers were a silvery lavender. As best I recall it was fairly healthy in this area (and was grown near our horses and thus never got sprayed like many of my mother's other roses), but I don't know how it would fare elsewhere.
The plan you have for your cat sounds lovely. I do similar things when a much-loved pet dies. When my little dog Scarlet died, I planted Scarlet Moss and Rosa canina Laxa (the dog rose) on her grave. I lost my beloved Kuvasz Magda in February and redid a whole section of the yard in her favorite colors and dedicated it to her.
Melissa
Here is a link that might be useful: Aschermittwoch
Thanks all!! I can't wait to order mine! I have been talking to some people in my area. A rosarian? from the Milwaukee Rose Society & he lives about a half hour east of me & says the CdeC does well for him. But then I am a novice to rose growing, so who knows. I am checking out the Young Lycidas too. I have much interest in fragrant repeat blooming roses. :)
mad_gallica and SouthCountryGuy, Ah ha! Okay, so that isn't a bud union I'm looking at after all. Thanks for clearing that up.
The soil line probably was higher at one point. The rose is in a raised bed, but the back of it is just a cedar fence. I also cut away some creeping phlox from the base of the rose this spring.
If the graft is reasonably buried already, I'm not going to worry about it. Maybe just the layer of winter mulch then.
Thanks to everyone for your time and help!
Just to clarify a point you raised, no, a Julia cane will not switch to a Dr. Huey cane. Julia canes are any cane growing at or above the graft. Any cane growing under the graft will be the rootstock, which is most likely Dr. Huey.
What could happen is that the rose suffers through another brutal winter and by next winter it has partly died back and rootstock (from under the graft) has started growing. However, given that your poor rose suffered through a brutal winter this past year, we'll hope that doesn't happen again to your roses. At least, I don't want it happening to a couple of my roses that have limped through this season as a result of last winter's brutal cold. Don't think my poor babies would make it! : (
Kate
Roses (except wild species roses) do not come true from seed. I doubt that the Green Rose even sets seed (roseseek will know). If it does, the resulting seeds will not produce more Green Roses. If you want to grow roses from seed, read online as to how it is done and gather some ripe hips from 'Knock Out' roses in your neighborhood.
Hi Michael, no, the Green Rose (Viridiflora) sets no seeds nor does it have pollen. It is completely sterile as all flower parts have been changed to leaf parts. Anyone considering importing (bringing any plant material in from outside the Continental US borders) plants or plant materials of ANY kind, requires an import permit. If the seeds originate outside our borders and they happen to make it through to you, it's doubtful they are even rose seeds. Several people have complained of receiving radish seeds. Even if they are rose seeds, they won't look like what you think they should. Very few of the ads for those types of rose seeds even depict REAL roses which haven't been highly Photos Shopped. If you want to raise some from seed, follow Michael's advice and go pick your own. At least you will know they are rose seeds and they won't require an import permit. Kim
Hello Sammy,
So good to see you again!!
My husband, Markku has picked up my Rose torch for me! : ^ ) Now, he buys me roses as gifts, plants the roses,, waters them and even will feed, dead-head and prune when needed. I am so lucky I have him!!!
My health hasn't improved but I do love gardening especially my roses!!
I have become very fond of my fruit trees, who wouldn't love a delicious tangerine?? : ^ ) But at this new house the plant that amazes me is the Wisteria growing out front,its just Wow!! What a nice addition to my life and garden.
Old friends stick around, new friends I look forward to calling you old friends one day!
Carlota
I'm on Facebook, but I don't have any family or friends who are into growing roses, or gardening for that matter. Folks are always posting selfies, food selfies, pet selfies, but not pics of their gardens. They just aren't into it. I LOVE gardening. It's my passion. I come over to the Rose Forum and a bunch of other garden forums because I can get advice, give advice, discover new roses varieties that work for my Zone 5 garden and learn about new rose nurseries to check out. It would be great to have my folks on the forum, but FB, Twitter and all of the other social media outlets are luring them away. That's ok. I'll stay on. P.S. I love to see pics of everyone's roses and gardens, especially during Winter. It's cold and cloudy here in Chicago. Could use some pics today. :-)
She's a beauty, isn't she!
Jubilee Celebration
I love her blooms, but in my garden, she has been a bit of a disappointment. The good news is that there are a couple other posters on this forum who claim she does well for them, so hopefully you will hear from them also.
In the meantime, here is my less than glowing report about JC which I've had for about 7 years in my garden:
From the beginning she was something of a wimp--no vigor, not really unhealthy, but kind of a weakling, no strong growth, too "delicate" appearing. She just never has really taken off and I often think she needs an extra shot of vitamins or something. About her third or fourth year, I tried doctoring her with everything I could think of--she got somewhat better--a bit more vigorous and greener and more fulsome looking, but not a lot. That was the best she ever did, though she began looking more "permanent" after her fifth year.
I don't think she ever got over 2.5 x 2.5. Quite a bit smaller than Austin lists in his catalog.
She has never burst into lots of blooms, but typically produces 3-10 blooms, occasionally more during the spring bloom. She does have a fairly good re-bloom rate, so there are often at least a few blooms on her bush most of the time. And the blooms are beautiful!
Unfortunately, the blooms are not long-lasting. If it rains, they will collapse rather quickly. In the burning hot sun, the edges burn. If you can, definitely place her where she gets some protection from the hot afternoon sun.
Oh yes--she does have a bit of the droopy neck syndrome that a number of Austins feature. Lovely droop--but sometimes I have to get down really low to take a decent picture of her blooms.
She is not a disease-magnet, but she often suffers from a low-grade BS infection. I spray her a couple times in the spring and one or two times in the fall, and she gets by with that, but she never looks completely clean if you get up close and look at her closely.
Is she a keeper? Well, I've been keeping her for quite some time now and have no intention of getting rid of her--but she is a disappointment in some respects.
But her blooms are beautiful--lovely pink/peach/salmon shades with yellow at the base! And her re-bloom rate is good. Her two best features.
Actually I love her--but still want to put an extra sweater on her when she goes out to play--just in case.
Kate
I hope Susan contacted you!
Nope! And she likely thinks I just didn't respond. :-(