21,402 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Camps,
These are actual prices. For example here is Golden Celebration at the nice price of 9euros,
http://www.avramis.gr/1F2B0B9D.el.aspx
while here is Comte de Chambord for Euro 7.50
http://www.avramis.gr/459E2862.el.aspx
and here is Mr. Lincoln at the staggering price of Euro 3.90
http://www.avramis.gr/3DD2D1EA.el.aspx
and Ingrid Bergman at the price of Euro 4.40
http://www.avramis.gr/5812A787.el.aspx
Nik

    Bookmark   February 20, 2014 at 1:12PM
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brody36(8a PNW)

Here in BC bare root roses from the big box stores are around 8-10 dollars each. At my local nursery the prices for roses just went up by $5 so now its $30 for a regular rose and $35 for an Austin. There is also another nursery nearby that has very few roses but they are high quality own roots for only $20 and they always have at least one Austin.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 9:05PM
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catsrose(VA 6)

Look at the Buck roses, many available from Chamblee's, ad also roses bred by the Brownells.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 10:01AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you Kate and Catsrose - Berolina is lovely, I had noticed it on Palatine's website and given it consideration already. I agree, sometimes I like the more mellow toned yellows too, I'll have to check out the Buck roses and the Brownells too. There have been so many good suggestions. I do appreciate all of you so much, this is so helpful.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 7:17PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

If you follow that link to the photo of Polka, Jay-Jay has other photos posted and wrote under member comments that it made a nice shrub. Jay-Jays photos show it tied to a fence in a fan shape. Sounds like the rose might be better how you are planning.

I do not have any experience with this rose though.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 4:28PM
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gardenbug(8b)

Thank you for your help. Mine looks just like the one in the photo. I have two of them. Maybe I will just keep it like it is...as a 'climber' - The only reason I was going to dig it up, is because (I found out later) that you're not suppose to prune the canes for at least 3 years. Well, I pruned mine without knowing the 'rule' - Oh well, hopefully it'll grow some new canes. Thanks again for helping me.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 6:37PM
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catsrose(VA 6)

I envy you Jackie. I wish I'd inherited more garden and less silver and china.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 10:07AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, how wonderful for you, Jackie! I got my love of roses handed down from my Grandmother to my Mother to me and I'm so grateful for it.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 4:17PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I usually prune late March early April here...
This year is much colder than usual so who knows?
When the forsythia bloom in your area would be a good time to prune.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 11:02AM
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bonniejean001

Thanks everyone. I'll watch out for the forsythia, but will keep the overall weather in mind. I'll look out for when when it's starting to send new growth out. My crocus is starting to bloom and for sure there is plenty of winter left.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 3:59PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

Ahhhhh . . . you may wanna rethink that. Balconies and potted plants are often more trouble for both than one ever would think in advance. The only happy people with balcony plants are those that (1) don't own the balcony, and (2) have no ground floor space at all. That's because balconies and wet pots do not play well together -- think rotted wood wherever that pot drains, unless you can somehow create a "no standing water, ever" drainage way for the watering water. And that's hard to do, in practice, because there's always somewhere that water collects near a pot. And the plants are not usually all that happy either -- balconies tend to be either hot and dry or shaded and damp, and it's hard to find one with decent sun exposure that doesn't get too hot.

Many HOA's have "no pots on balconies" rules for exactly that reason, and having been a construction defect lawyer for awhile, I completely understand the need for that rule.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 8:38PM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

kstrong,

Our HOA does not have much input regarding what goes on our balconies, but they seem to be more concerned about the placement of trees and plants near property line dividing block walls, decency laws etc. Honestly, they cannot see into our backyards.

I was a little concerned about the water/balcony potential issue, but my DH is very knowledgeable and "particular", generally speaking, so when he suggested putting two or three potted plants on our balcony, I figured that he had already determined that it was okay. I do know that there is a slight slope for water drainage, along with railing between the pillars.

It will be hot up there, but the balcony runs along our master suite, and the pots will be positioned as such to receive a.m. sun. Our home is 9 years old, and whatever is directly underneath the rug out there now is not wood. Wood is likely underneath that surface as part of the constructionâ¦.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 10:51PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Thanks Kate. Frau Dagmar is one of the shorter varieties for sure, but over time can still reach between 4 to 5' tall. It can also sucker like mad once it goes own root. This was originally one plant grafted on multiflora and planted about 10 years ago now. She is now about 12 feet wide, 6 feet deep and between 4-5 feet high and I have to prune away suckers each spring to keep it in control.

Frau Dagmar is on the right and that is Wild Edric standing taller behind her.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 11:34AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thank you for the Fru Dagmar pic--I've never seen a mature one. I love it and will hope my "shorty" grows to be that full and beautiful.

And Wild Eric looks good there also!

Kate

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 8:34PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Even just three feet apart one may have a different wind and/or sun exposure than the other. The up wind one may be protecting the down wind one.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 3:49PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I have 15 minifloras now. I like them because the plants don't get as tall or big as the HTs do but for the most part they have that bloom form. They work very well in my patio pot garden. All of mine are own root and I've gotten them from many different sources but Burlington and John's Miniature's (now through Heirloom) are the two where I got the most I think. Since I've been maxed out on room of late I haven't gotten anything from For Love of Roses yet but I peruse their web site often and I'm sure an order is soon in my future, lol!

The class was started mainly for exhibition purposes I believe. Hence the nearly always exhibition form. There were some newer minis coming out that were just too big to be shown as minis and/or would simply out shine the minis because they were bigger. So they started to call them minifloras, somewhere between a mini and a florabunda. The ARS didn't immediately recognize it as a class and the term "miniflora", all one word, wasn't sanctioned until a couple of years ago. Before then there were several different spellings.

As for sizes you have to remember that the classification of a rose is soley up to the breeder. So if the breeder says it's a miniflora, it's a miniflora. Whether the bloom is 1, 2 or 3 inches in size. It doesn't matter. So there is a range of sizes for plant, leaf and bloom. As a general rule of thumb minis are usually around 1 to 1 1/2 inches in size up to 2 at the most. There are a few bigger ones because they were classed before minifloras came into existence. Minifloras generally range around 2 inches but can go to 3. Florabundas are between 3 and 4 inches and HTs can go from 4 to 6 inches in size. But there are exceptions to all of that. For the most part breeders are careful to place things in the right classes but sometimes there are reasons for putting it in a different class. It happens.

As for what I like best of mine, probably First and Foremost as a garden plant. It blooms almost non-stop for me and i love the bright cherry red color. As a show rose I'd have to go with Snow Ruby because I've won Queen of Minis twice with it!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 11:23AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you so much everyone, there is some really good and detailed information here and I do appreciate it. I have been impressed with the looks of minifloras and would really like to try them. The smaller size plant appeals to me also.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 3:22PM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

Not for me. What I believe is the classic Tea rose scent is for me a dry, aromatic, "woody" scent, akin to that of freshly sawed hardwood, or perhaps cedar. Of course that scent can be blended with many others, even in Tea roses; there's a mild sweet scent that comes from the China ancestry, and some Tea rose fragrances have fruity notes as well.
Melissa

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 2:30AM
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laura242424

Thanks, everyone! the 'green' and 'woody' descriptions make a lot of sense :) I'll have to remember to write down some of the roses that smell especially like this to me, this summer, when all the roses come out ~

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 2:01PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Heh, heh!!
Carol

    Bookmark   March 10, 2014 at 7:53PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

...this week in Canada brought to you by...

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 12:23PM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

Fortunately I don't have to choose between being lacerated by roses or dying of heat stroke, as our heat is dry and at night it cools down . I always wear sturdy shoes. Long pants, heavy, long-sleeved linen shirt in hot weather, whatever I have in the way of beat up garments in cold; gloves, which I slip on and off if I have to tie canes or do other fiddling tasks. Even if there weren't all the thorns, there are bugs and sun. My braided, pinned-up hair catches in thorns, too, and this summer when I go back to the U.S. on a visit I may look for the kind of hippy bandana I wore when I was eighteen. I wear glasses, too, so even my face has some protection, though not enough. I think my being a slow, inefficient, piddling (cautious) kind of gardener has perhaps kept me from the kinds of injuries reported here; maybe there's a kind of built-in protection in this way of working that banzai gardeners don't enjoy. Of course I could still fall out of a tree or off a ladder or terraced bed or from a rock.
Melissa

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 3:10AM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Under my finger nail and in the heel of my foot (deep). Being from Fl., I garden in shorts and barefoot. Still do it up here. I try to keep the garden clean so I usually don't step on anything that will cause me pain.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 10:57AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Sounds wonderful.
Are you going to get it?
Carol

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 2:01PM
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Calvin Ragoonanan

There was exactly one of it at the garden centre last Saturday. It seems that the rose, along with several others, were imported bare-root from Europe and potted up. It is probably sold by now. I didn't want to purchase the rose without knowing somewhat about its background. My loss.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 10:03PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

It is most definitely Aloha Hawaii.

It also thought it might be Caramel Fairy Tale since both the blooms and buds are very similiar to Aloha Hawaii. However, the leaves give it away. Aloha Hawaii has the glossy and more crinkled leaf form shown in your picture, whereas Caramel Fairy Tale has a more matt leaf texture with slightly less pronounced crinkles.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 10:02AM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

My Aloha Hawaii from Palatine is NOT lax. Nor is my Caramel Fairytale. I agree the blooms are similar but mine is stiff with massive pickles.and thick canes. I'm intrigued.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 9:43PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Yep, it's seeing campanula AND Beth AND Kim all report how Eyes for you or Bulls-Eye or the Eyeconic series are bullet-proof for them makes me sigh in frustration. I don't think my problem is the amount of moisture or sun per se, since we get relatively little of the former and plenty of the latter, but I suspect it's our loamy clay soils that makes the hultemias not survive my summers, Sandandsun. Other semi-xeric plants from places like High Country Gardens have died similarly rapid deaths when I've tried to create the light soils and rocky conditions under which they would be more suited. If I were better at pots and a lot more organized about keeping control of conditions in specialty gardens I might be more successful, but that's too much like work.

At least I CAN grow roses, just not these. I will post some pictures of the garden once spring gets going and I appreciate the encouragement as well as compliments, Sandandsun. Not that any of us need TOO much incentive to show off our yards anyway...

Cynthia

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 2:24PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

To excerpt from Jim Sproul's article linked in a post above:

"Hulthemias however,...are not true roses...."

So I agree with you, Nippstress, because although I've observed that most roses do love clay (as your garden, one of mine, and others here demonstrate), the same probably should not be said about hulthemia hybrids.

Also, I completely agree about too much work because my instincts always told me that working with Nature was the path of least resistance providing the greatest rewards. I've enjoyed those rewards in other climates. I am now VERY slowly, but it seems surely, getting them here too.

In a similar vein, pots ARE too much work for ME. Temporary pampering is the most pot work I will do, but I digress.

Yes, it is abundantly clear that you CAN grow roses and I don't think that I'm the only one that celebrates that fact.

Best wishes for a glorious spring.

Lastly even if unnecessarily: incentive, incentive, incentive!

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 4:25PM
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