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Hi Scott, yes, I remember (and used to grow) Promise. Its breeding promised much, and it COULD be quite pretty, but most of the promise was broken by disease and a refusal to grow. When the stars aligned perfectly, and spraying maintained religiously, those blooms could be enormous and perfectly stunning. Usually, that wasn't the case, unfortunately. If you find one, do yourself a favor and bud it. Own root, it can be a real mess. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Promise on Help Me Find
I actually purchased an own-root one from Roses Unlimited a few yrs ago. I planted it in one of my beds, and I don't believe it's ever bloomed yet! For some reason own-roots take forever to get going for me. Generally I try to plant them in 1gal containers for a few yrs before putting them in the ground. But for some reason I planted it in the ground right away. My soil is pretty crappy and I may not have amended it enough in that area. Roses Unlimited still lists it as available, if you're interested in trying it. You may not have any problem with it. You just never know. Everyone's experiences are different with every rose.
I have ordered THREE Karlsruhes, mendocino. I am so glad that Friends of Vintage Roses is helping to conserve these living treasures. I can't say anything to help about cuttings, nastrana,having little to no experience,but was wondering: could you try layering one of your Karlruhe's branches? (not sure if I've used the right term, but what I mean is burying part of a branch of the plant that includes bud eyes ,weighing it down if necessary,and letting the end of it stick up out of the soil,then keeping it watered and waiting patiently to see if it roots) I seem to remember that it's habit would permit this. I have had luck in reproducing roses this way,though am not at all sure if all kinds will do this...bart
The type of rose would be called a Hybrid Tea rose and may or may not be a florist rose. Usually florist roses do not do very well in the garden because they are bred to be grown under very particular conditions in greenhouses. You don't say where you live or what zone but probably, unless you live in Maui or some other tropical place, roses won't get that large for you.
Thanks for the info, Seil. I value your expertise on the forum (long time reader). I suspected it could be an HT of some sort. Left unchecked, roses here easily grow very large & bushy, but I'm more interested in the ones with a tendency to produce upward growing, single stem blooms. I had a young, florist Red Intuition that set some stems like that, on a smaller scale. I'd like to find more of the same, preferably garden types if there are any.
By the way, I'm in South Africa, near Johannesburg, primarily in a dry winter, summer rainfall area with lots of sunshine. Roses do very well here.
Aaah... It blooms and repeats fairly well and the blooms are big and pretty. But it sometimes gets thrips and B/S. Sorry don't remember fragrance. MIne's still in a big pot. I've had it for a few yrs. This season it didn't do as well for some reason. Needs to get in the ground I suppose. Overall I'd say it's a decent rose.
I have it, from Chamblees. Still a young plant, like it a lot - smallish blooms - lovely color, healthy foliage. Plum Perfect is planted nearby, larger rose, much the same - great colored blooms, healthy foliage. I may get a few more of these.......A top rosarian from Houston told Mark Chamblee that Plum Perfect was THE best lavender she had grown. Mine is still young, but I am inclined to agree.
Judith
Some additional info which may be of interest:
Plum Perfect / KORvodacom was commissioned from Kordes by South Africa's leading rosarian Ludwig Taschner (German expat). He selected it for a local cellphone company, Vodacom, whose corporate colour used to be blue until they rebranded some years ago. The rose is marketed as Vodacom, instead of Plum Perfect in South Africa. Ludwig is also responsible for commissioning and naming the South Africa & Desmond Tutu roses (bred by Kordes, used to be available from Chamblee & Palatine) and Rina Hugo / DORviz, which he named for and presented to the legendary SA entertainer.
The KORvodacom rose has been sold in South Africa since at least 2010 or 2011, if memory serves. Don't know about the version patented & sold in the USA which a previous poster mentioned is unscented, but the South African version is strongly scented. Looks wise, it is exactly like the one Mauvegirl pictured.
Judy ...
I think it is wonderful that people are offering possible solutions to your dry beds, but when I saw that you are planning to plant 15 roses in that area, my first thought was, "That's a lot of hard labor and it might not work."
I think you need to find out why the soil in that area is dry. Is it draining too fast ? or is it the composition of the soil ... ie the mineral components in the soil ? are their rocks deep down or an impenetrable layer of soil that directs water placed on the surface of the soil directing the water away from that area so that it doesn't hold moisture ? In other words, what's going on that makes that part of your property dryer than other parts of your garden. Know the "why" of something helps more to find a good solution for the long term.
No matter what you decide to do, I think it would be wise to experiment with fewer than 15 roses to find out what is going to work.
Gardening with roses in soil that is less than ideal can work, but a lot more work is required to keep them happy and thriving. I've done it and I won't stop as I now understand my soil/non-soil well enough to know what I need to do to compensate for it being less than ideal.
You might want to post this question to the Soil Forum.
Lyn
Hi Lyn!! We had a bunch of trees removed about 6-7 years ago when my rose addiction started so I'm thinking that's why this area is so dry. This areas trees were removed prob 3 yrs ago and I planted lime lights like a bonehead that just kept zapping the water I'm sure but I've taken them out bc they were going to get way to big for the area and drooped every time it rained so out they came. If they start struggling I will just put them elsewhere. I know it's a lot of work but hope it works out. Thanks a bunch, Judy
Ann, yep :) I have some Huey that a neighbor gave to me as a beautiful red rose and made me plant where she could see it bloom, lol, so I have compared leaves. I'm thinking not Huey, but it's close enough that I may be protecting Huey canes all winter. That's OK. The neighbors love him :D
Hi,
My little bit:
You mentioned your awareness of the fairy tale series, the veranda series, and the vigorosa series, but there are very interesting very recent Kordes roses that are not part of a series. They are classed as shrubs, floribundas, and hybrid teas.
In the thread: Hybrid Teas - No Way! the poster, newroses (whom I deduce is someone with a personal connection to the American Kordes operations) wrote that there are "trials going on the Kordes HTs in both Houston and Orlando Fl so we will let you know how they do as we get data. Savannah so far has done very well in Houston."
'Savannah' is a hybrid tea rose and newroses' statement means that 'Savannah' is getting good blackspot resistance reports in the Houston area. I've heard this report from another source as well.
'Poseidon' mentioned by prettypetals is a floribunda.
Kormelaus (I use the breeder designation because it is HIGHLY unlikely that it will be called 'Sonnenwelt' in the US), is classed as a "shrub." Kormelaus isn't available yet, I just mention it as example of a shrub.
Here is a link that might be useful: Kormelaus
Judy, Poseidon is one that I have on the list to try because I have heard good things about this rose. good to know that you have had such good luck with this rose! Thanks for all your wonderful suggestions! I hope to have bouquets of roses as pretty as yours one day!
Thanks to all for the information, it is much appreciated!
have a rosey day! Shannon
Mad Gallica it was horrible lol! It did come back with one tiny cane this spring, and then died. We had multiple -16F days and windchills in excess of -20. It was in full bloom, freak storm came through with freezing rain in Nov? I think, and it was all downhill from there. I'm not sure if that's what did it in or not. Oddly enough, I lost an old shrubby Yew just down the patio from this rose that has withstood some horrible winters. I'm in NW Chicago burbs, and a lot of people lost well established, zone appropriate plants last year. I wouldn't hesitate to plant it again, I think last year was just an anomaly.
I'm also in the NW suburbs of Chicago. I loved the Easy Elegance roses when they first came out. I had two young ones that died in the summer drought we had two years ago. They were guaranteed for two years and I did get my money back after I had to 'remind them' I was waiting. LOL
I had two o thers that came through our bad winter last year although one was not hurt at all and the other one is only about t wo inches high and never grew this summer. The good thing about these roses is that they don't seem to get any blackspot, but I'm not as crazy about them anymore.