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I agree with everything Seil said about your roses, and this may be one of those learning experiences to see what roses like in your zone. Nowhere do they like being without air circulation, which is what those rose cones and some other kinds of protection can provide, so the canes that are black are dead and need to be cut off. Whether the rose itself is dead remains to be seen. As Seil said, cut off cane until you see creamy white/tan insides of the cane, but don't cut below the knobby chunk at the bottom of the rose - assuming it's a grafted rose, this knobby part is where the rose you want starts, and pruning below it will only leave a different root stock behind. As long as some cane is still alive above that graft, or even at the graft itself, the rose will come back and you might never know it was cut back by mid-summer.
For fall protection next time, you may want to check some old threads or post a new one in September or October and we can coach you in some relatively straightforward ways to protect roses with better odds for survival. Of course, in cold zones there are some roses that won't survive regardless, so it might not be the cone's fault.
Cynthia

Meye heavens, I'm still trying to get used to all the name changing as a rose crosses borders. I'm beginning to think the rose industry gives MI-5 a good go in a who-has-more-aliases challenge. Of course, there's nothing cagey about rose names.
I shouldn't be too critical of such habits. After they've been in my garden a few years, roses become "this one," "that one," or "the one back there," etc. Hopefully, none will ever be known as "that old thing?"
Anyway, thank you to kstrong in the thread linked below for letting me know that if I want to find Peace and Love I have to get some Eyes on Me.
Here is a link that might be useful: European Posters?? -- Eyes on Me

Honestly, a rose has three (3) names already and is registered for exhibition in the US with a fourth but is being sold in North America with a fifth?
Let's see if we can follow this.
CHEsumsigns becomes 'Love and Peace' which becomes 'Bright as a Button (or was it the other way around?) which becomes 'Eyes on Me.' 'Eyes on Me' is now AKA (also known as) 'Raspberry Kiss.'
I guess the CIA said it didn't like the reference to MI-5 and insisted that North Americans prove they could have more aliases!
Actually with my brief web search, it appears that Mr. Warner's rose is now primarily known as 'Raspberry Kiss.' So, it would probably be more accurate to say that it is also known as any and all of the other names as well as a certain magazine's promotional name.
And it turns out that ole Amos Pettingill either thinks it is exceptional somehow or believes that it's actually white with deeper and deeper pink shading. No telling which.
Latest name change announcement in the thread linked below:
Here is a link that might be useful: Raspberry Kiss (Eyes on Me)


Thank you all for your suggestions!
I think I am going to go with Alchymist from High Country. It achieves the height I need, along with being hardy to zone 4. It only blooms once, but those huge apricot blooms look amazing. The clematis and side garden should fill in the gap as well. I've come to realize that thorns are a part of roses, so I'll just have to give those pruners an extra workout! :)

Thanks for all the suggestions. I ended up putting the Gemini in the pot. I have read in a lot of places that roses on fortuniana can do well in pots, so I thought it was worth a try. I just wish I had more spots in the yard to put them in the ground. Makes me want to move to a place with a bigger yard.

Thanks you all. That's a real shame...I only ordered Austins from Pickering (Palatine doesn't sell them) and a few others that Palatine didn't have as I have ordered from Palatine before and been thrilled with the quality!
I was in HD today and saw body bags with canes 3 X the size of the Pickering roses.
I'm glad to hear that the Pickering roses do ok. I was really, really disappointed. Not just in the size but in the health.
Susan

Susan, the body bag plants you saw were most likely budded on Dr. Huey from Texas or California. Comparing them to anything on multiflora, particularly from anywhere in a cold climate (compared to the south or south west) is not really fair. Both may eventually resemble each other, but very few will initially. Kim


All lavenders are not the same, if you can find a Goodwin Creek Grey mine seem to just keep on blooming non stop. The one that is getting too much water is bigger than the one that is getting less. Mine have spread to the 3 foot size (and yes I planted them thinking they were going to be 2 footers....)
I love the greens and deeper tones of Hidecote, it blooms less so far for me, but I will be adding more of this one. It is also much smaller.
My Munsteads are growing much slower so I really can't tell you much about them.
If you have space and want non stop flowers...Goodwin Creek Grey is a winner.


I got it when it first came out two seasons ago. It's in a 16" pot in one of my "pot ghettos." First season it didn't bloom at all. Last yr it popped out a few really nice blooms. I like it. I think it might be a good one for cold zones. It had a couple of blooms in Jan when it was cold and everything else was dormant. Was just a couple of plain yellow blooms, but they went thru rain and cold pretty darn well. Of course, they kinda turned brown after a bit, but I was really surprised to see it putting forth the effort.
Here's a pic from last yr:

I think if it were in the ground it would be even better. And I think it's gonna end up being a pretty tall one. In the pot it's at least 4ft. In the ground I bet it would get closer to 6ft. At least in my climate.


Here's a picture of a large rose of mine called Valencia. It's a fantastic rose. So far it has no scent - but it's supposed to. Sometimes my roses don't get scent until year four and then wow!! This is a rose I think would be great for your mom. There are lots of gorgeous roses on this plant. And the flowers last for weeks on the bush.
Carol


Bebba - which water district are you in - the MMWD South and Middle Marin one, or the Northern Marin one?
I just checked the water storage in MMWD's reservoirs, and they say that as of yesterday it is at 86% of the average of where it has been historically on this date. MMWD has already announced that they are NOT going to have any mandatory water rationing at all this year.
I don't know about the water district which supplies Novato, but you can certainly look it up. If there is not going to be any rationing, then it is up to you to decide how much you want to water. I would agree with Ingrid that if you don't want to use much water, you should certainly not use chemical fertilizer.
Jackie

Whether or not there are water restrictions, summer temps are likely to be warm, at least like last year, potentially worse. Staying with the organic fertilizers will help relieve the extra stress of high salt conditions. They won't push a lot of softer, sappier "water growth" inorganics will. Yes, you will definitely still get flowers. Perhaps not quite as large, nor perhaps not quite as many, but what you will receive should be more natural for the rose varieties you grow. Ingrid and Jackie are right on. Kim


Andrew:
The tag you found is for Dr. Buck's Prairie Princess. This was one of the most popular breeding parents used by Dr. Buck in his hybridizing program (the other was Carefree Beauty). It is a large-flowered climber with blooms similar to Carefree Beauty.
The tag that is in your photo is one from Chamblee's Rose Nursery in Tyler, Texas. Mark Chamblee provided roses to several places in Louisiana that evaluated roses.


I have the same problem for the newly planted bareroot roses. They are covered in mulch but still some of the canes turned brown about the last frost.
I am a beginner in rose gardening, so please pardon me if this question seems silly. Is all the brown cane dead? Should I prune them off? They are not black yet.






I only use cedar mulch as well. No problems. I did notice that it cuts down on bug activity, which is good
If you're going to spray soapy water to kill aphids, do it early in the morning, and then rinse off the roses with plain water before the mid-day heat sets in. And don't use any oil when temps are above 85F.
:-)
~Christopher