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When I first got my White Out many years ago it was introduced as a knockout. They dropped it as a knockout the following year. My White Outs are disease free. I love them. They are always in bloom for me and grow to about 3'x3' every year.
End of last season after several frosts
One of the new ones this year
My Whiteout Rose blooms probably more than any other rose I have. It's a great "landscape rose" as many would say. It blooms well, but is not a showy flower or fragrant. It isn't technically a knock out rose. My whiteout faces northwest on a slight slope, so it doesn't get as much sun as it should ideally. It stays about 3' x 3'. My mom grows one and it gets maybe 3.5' x 3.5' and stays in a round bush shape for both of us. It does not blackspot, but gets a touch of PM here in KY for me. It certainly doesn't affect its flowering though. All of my roses this year have holes, which I suppose is caused by thrips. This rose is no exception. I lost it during the harsh winter two years ago. I planted another and it survived this past harsh winter with no protection.
I have to agree with Jacqueline. I have both coral and red in pots that I bought in two gallon pots from a local nursery. Both are already 1.5' tall and 3' wide easily. I'm sure they will continue to get bigger in my climate. I had planned to put them in the front of a flower bed with a HT behind them but since my beds are only 4' deep I've decided that just won't work. I'm glad I bought them and put them in pots to see their growth pattern before putting them in the beds as a border. I would constantly pruning them to keep them off the walkway.
I've gotten probably 20 of various colors over the last 3 years, and they have done one of two things. They've either gotten far bigger than what you have in mind, or they just died for some unknown reason I've yet to figure out. Pretty little things but check out other options.
Well it is supposed to be healthy but it may be the area you live in with different strains of bs. Then again it is a new rose and probably stressed out from transplant. I would wait and see what happens. Just clean up the area of the infected leaves.
On helpmefind website it says that this rose occasional repeat later. Is the repeat very slow?
Even 12 x 12 was way too small, in Southern California.
Seil is right, too. "Miniature" means the bloom, not the plant. How big the plant will want to get depends upon the variety. Most of Ralph Moore's roses had a nice compact habit. Some of the Poulsen "pot plants" -- the sort that often turn up at Supermarkets -- seem to be like that, too.
Miniatures popular for exhibition grow long stems, and make tall plants. I have seen 'Jean Keneally' in the ground more than 6-feet tall.
I have Cinderella which is a micro-mini. She's doing well in something way too small. Awesome to have something so tiny, most people think it's something else other than a rose. My other miniature is Wonderful News. Should have posted this in the Miniature Section. Oops!
Diane,I'm sorry to bother you again, but I have another question about the Mystery Damager. Looking around the other day, it seems to me that perhaps it's limited to mainly just one rose right now: The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild, an Austin. Now, I seem to remember that earlier this year, it may have occured with James Galway as well, another Austin,but JG was having other issues with flowers opening badlyand damaged, which may have been due to the weather,as well as the fact that it's between 2 ramblers, and I added in some other neighbours last fall, so maybe JG is having issues with that, as well. On The Ingenious Mr.F,the damage is mainly just in the center : the stamen area is completely blackened,and the stamens are gone; it's just this ugly black nub,spoiling the effect of the flower entirely. Does this description sound like what you are experiencing? thanks, bart
I've just got to get some photos of this damage for you to see. The worst of the damage seems to be winding down rapidly. Your description is quite similar to the damage on my roses. Buds are either "drilled" out in the very center, or eaten out more extensively. The stamen area is completely destroyed. The discoloration ranges from blackish brown to light brown. Even the edges of the outer bud petals are affected with brown discoloration. The severely affected can still try to open and the bud is mostly destroyed on those. Less severely affected will open, but the center is missing. I have several Evelyn roses which have been affected for years. Others which are susceptible are Colette (severe), Caramel Antique, The Prince, Augusta Luise (severe), and Love Song. These are all many petaled roses with an antique look. The puzzling thing is that these roses grow right next to other roses that aren't damaged at all. I also have thrips damage on some roses that aren't "drilled", just have the brown edges on some petals. None of these look as bad as the above photos show. The drilled buds have different look entirely. I'll try to get some up soon. Maybe we can solve this thing together. Diane
I agree with Cecily. Remember that after a week or two of activity, rose slugs disappear--because the good predator bugs arrive and eat them up. While the rose slugs are present (and you often have to squint to see the tiny green things on the backs and edges of leaves), squish them (or toss into your yard--they probably won't find their way back). Once good predator bugs arrive, do nothing--except maybe pluck off some of the more damaged leaves if they are looking particularly messy.
Kate
I agree it needs a support to grow on, and I like your idea of planting it to grow on your fence. HMF says it is "climbing, spreading". Along with the comments above that it gets really large, I would think it would do well on your fence. Partial shade might cause it to not be so aggressive. Just make sure to tie the first long canes horizontally on the fence, and stand back.
Jackie
The Antique Rose Forum is very good at Austin roses try posting this over there.