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jacqueline9CA

Thanks, Henry.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 9:20AM
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jacqueline9CA

Thanks, Henry.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 9:20AM
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predfern(z5 Chicago)

Nahema is a nice pink climber in my garden. I recommended Ramblin' Red to my supervisor based on gardenweb posts and he said that it gets very big with lots of blooms.

    Bookmark   February 18, 2014 at 12:12AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Beth, yes, the ones the lawn guys weed whacked: Cardinal de Richelieu, White Pet, Miami Moon, and Conundrum. Especially Miami Moon, cause only Hortico carries it, and my Conundrum was stunning. I'm hoping that they will come back, but it will be weeks until the snow melts and they break dormancy. They also got to one of the Soroptimist Internationals, but I have another one. Sorry to hear about your losses, sad to hear.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 8:44PM
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kittymoonbeam

Mine have been lost to galls mostly but I did almost lose Paul's Early Blush to being shaded and overrun by fast moving Charles Lawson. I was able to save him and split him into two and so now I have an extra just in case. You never know when something will happen. I've started double planting the HTF kinds. I used to move my roses around more, but after losing a few that I really loved, I am being very careful about it now. Quatre Saisons layed down on poor Louise Odier and she is just now bouncing back. I let my Reine Victoria get so tall that I didn't see Louise getting smothered.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 11:41PM
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lynnette

Cinderella Fairytale from Palatine in Ontario is an old fashion looking shrub. It will grow to 5 feet. Here is my photo with no pruning and it grew tall and had lots of blooms plus no disease.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 9:18PM
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lynnette

Here is a closer picture of the flowers.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 9:21PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Or it I should just clean it up, cutting back just the top third and shortening some of the longer, more lateral canes.

I say go for this option.

Kate

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 10:03AM
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jbraun_gw

Graham Thomas IS a climber. You will be hard pressed to keep it as a shrub.

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 10:11AM
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alameda/zone 8

I checked the one on the right - am seeing feeder roots but nothing close to the bottom. The smaller one was potted up in the fall and I seriously doubt it has made much progress. I stuck in its photo to compare the older potted band. Glad to hear you say they look good! The tiny one is a Vintage band from fall out of their import group. The other is Braveheart from Heirloom. On the older bands, I have dribbled a bit of Rose Tone and I watered with a VERY dilute solution of rainwater and Maxicrop seaweed/kelp.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:38PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I find it interesting that I keep seeing a similar pattern. First, people recommend NOT providing fertilizer for new bands. Then, I see people posting about their bands taking so long to grow. I understand that water-soluble fertilizers can burn tender band-roots if given in excess, but I tried mixing my own nutrient-rich potting mix for my bands last Spring.

In a wheelbarrow, I mixed equal parts (by volume) of peat moss, shredded hardwood mulch, and Bovung dehydrated cow manure (all from Home Depot). For 1gal containers (tiny bands), I sprinkled 1/2 cup of Jobe's Organic Knock-Out fertilizer in layers as I filled the pots. For 2gal containers (larger bands), I used 1 cup. When fully potted, each received its first soaking with fish/seaweed emulsion diluted in water at half the recommended rate, then set out in mid-Spring to get all the rain and sun. Where I am, beat-down hot sun doesn't really arrive until June, and by that time, the bands were growing well enough to have been put in full-sun, anyway.

I did get some "really tiny bands" with my order, while others were more substantial -- virtually all grew like gangbusters. My 'Jaune Desprez', a yellow Tea-Noisette notorious for being a slow starter own-root, came as a thin twig but soon put out a new cane from the roots that grew, sprouted further, and reached over 6' tall by the end of Autumn. I posted about it on the Antiques forum, with lots of before and after pics.

Addendum -- the 'Sweet Chariot' I received was mislabeled, and turned out to be some mystery Multiflora hybrid yet to be identified.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: Some before and after showing growth so far

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 1:07AM
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aviastar 7A Virginia

It depends, roseseek. I've been given some of those potted minis for Valentines for the past three years and they live quite happily on my kitchen table till about April when they make their way out to a bed I have dedicated to them. I now have two plants that have been healthy, doubled in size every year, and bloom happily all season and a brand new one waiting to go out this year. They are completely unlabeled, under $5, and apparently quite tough.

I've also had some other potted plants from grocery stores that didn't perform well, but I've been really lucky with the mini roses.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 10:14PM
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susan4952(5)

And they are tempting...especially in Chicago....in February.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 10:49PM
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bethnorcal9

I got mine a couple yrs ago from Edmund's. It's in a 16" plastic pot in my backyard "pot ghetto" which is in part sun/part shade. It does very well, blooms frequently and the blooms are pretty nice.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 4:38PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Thanks, Beth :)

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 5:07PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

I think I purchased Moonstone from Edmund's the first year that they offered it. It is winter tender some...not as much as Falling in Love and St. Patrick. Each spring I prune Falling in Love close to the ground. It amazes me how it will grow back....if it ever dies I probably won't replace it because of the thorns...love the bloom. Moonstone is a more vigorous bush in my garden and lots more blooms. You probably just got a not-so-good bush. I think that happens to me sometimes. Definitely bury the graft/bud union a couple of inches deep. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what makes it in my garden. I did NO winter protection!

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 12:30PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Cajun Moon might be better. My Moonstone always has split centers too, and I'm hoping it dies under the snow (I know that it won't, but I'm digging it out as soon as the bed thaws).

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 12:18PM
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seil zone 6b MI

And another one bites the dust...this is getting to be a frightening trend.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:40AM
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roseseek

We're all aging. Add the weather and economic tolls to the mix and it isn't surprising. There doesn't seem to be any new, "young blood" entering the industry, so expect more of it. I've never dealt with them, but I share your sense of loss and wish them the best. Kim

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 12:05PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Here's a hint that may help. I remember years ago when I moved to Texas--2 states over. I had lots of medium and large houseplants and wondered how to move them. Dad grabbed a couple of tall wastebaskets and a (clean) garbage can out of the stack of items to be moved and put a plant or two in each one. They rode happily to Texas, well-protected and some guaranteed air space around them. (I used the same method when I moved to Kansas three years later.)

I would think that would work for potted roses also.

Hope that helps.

Kate

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 9:30AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I think you've gotten great advise here so I'll just try and reassure you that they'll do fine for the move. I know a lot of people who have moved they're roses potted up all across the country and they did great!

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:54AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you, everyone.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 9:59AM
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seil zone 6b MI

You make a good point, Henry, about there being more than one virus under the RMV umbrella. There are a lot of variables involved and one rose with RMV could preform completely differently from another even if they're the same variety.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:46AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I think Twilight Zone fits the definition of bluish purple. It's not reddish. I'm sure it's available somewhere in Canada, possibly even locally for you, since it's a popular rose right now. A bluish lavender rose is Blue Bayou, which, at this point, is pretty hard to get. Here's a pic of Twilight Zone. Diane

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 2:45AM
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roseseek

The two darker purple roses with the "bluest" tones are Blue for You, which is only available right now from Chamblee's Roses, and Rhapsody in Blue, which is more readily available. Greenheart has Blue for You in production to be sold to growers who will then grow on the plugs to retail size plants. I'd think you should then find it in big box stores and perhaps other nurseries. Both of these can give you some pretty "blue" tones. The alternatives are newer lavender roses such as Novalis (Poseidon) and Blue Bayou which appear to be pretty much sold out from most sources from what I've seen. Kim

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 3:09AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Those are some seriously gorgeous pictures of gorgeous roses - every single one of those above. Wow!!!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 9:46PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Thanks, Carol. I'm glad you're back and hope you are feeling better. We need your rose enthusiasm. Diane

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 2:49AM
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