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It could be any HT rose. They all grow differently. I have some that get 6 feet tall and only a foot wide like a column and others like to grow sideways instead of up. Veterans' Honor is always tall and narrow but my Hot Romance is never more than 2 feet tall but it can get 4 feet wide. Each variety has it's own growth habit and without knowing what varieties you have we can't say whether this growth you are experiencing is normal or not. If you want you can prune it back to shape but if it wants it may just grow right back!

Here is the offender in action, A modest plant on the right with a cane shooting all the way across the plant on the left.

Yeah, it's hot and dry here. Pay no attention to the parched lawn.

I have had several roses that appeared to have crown gall. The growth would look like cauliflower or brain. Early March I dug up Over the Moon and Grande Amore (side by side) that had crown gall visible at ground level. These roses were several years old, Dr. Huey and own root, and different vendors. I think it's just in my soil and when opportunity knocks, it will appear. Over the Moon never was vigorous, but Grande Amore always was.

Dang! I am going to watch the whole flower bed. Cauliflower or brain is a good description. :-(

Thanks you.

I had a few leaves like that, too. It's hard not to panic, thinking is it the early, early stage of RRD that hasn't been documented? Sometimes I'll pull the leaves off. Maybe it's environmental or another insect or spider? I am glad you posted this question and I would like a definitive answer instead of my speculation.

That is interesting Jay.

The problem with standards, is the tall "trunk" that can not stand the cold and is the Dr Huey part. But start a new thread on protecting them and bet some one can tell you how they have had success....being in SoCal, I am jealous of some of those colder weather roses, but am really amazed at how much work some people need to do to keep their roses alive. You know how much they love their plants!

I am a bit of a fanatic with my tree roses. The grafted roses have great difficulty surviving a NORMAL zone five winter in the elements, as the graft freezes
. I have about ten in large pots that are rolled in after 3 hard frosts. I have two, Black Cherry and April in Paris that have survived in a very protected spot outside. Some of the tree roses are tall bushes that have been trimmed to a central chosen branch and cultivated to flower from the top. Much like a topiary hydrangea, hibiscus, etc. that way the root supply is underground and protected. Reagan has a wonderful inventory.

Kippy, that would be quite a sight and perhaps a teaching moment, too. If doable that is the way I would go.

I have a van so they were poking out the back door with a red flag. I shall get a few more soon and plan on asking a neighborhood handyman, with a truck and trailer, to get them for (with) me. We are hiring him for some other stuff, too.

Roof rack would work: Bring a furniture type pad and some strong ties. The Depot/Lowes guys do this stuff all the time and can be very helpful. Just plan on there only and then directly and carefully back to your garden.

Maybe some good tape and some bubble wrap if the rod bundle curves down onto your car surface in places. Don't be worried that the rods themselves will slip and slide. They are very rough surfaced and if they are tightly taped to each other they should remain that way for your trip home.

Also, I wouldn't plan on bringing more than three or four home at a time till you have some experience in the endeavor.

My tripiods are mostly of 1/2 inch by 10 ft rods so much easier to handle and find. The 3/8ths X 20 ft may have to be ordered, though it was locally available here a couple of years ago.

Also, let me give credit to Denise, Imagardener, for this wonderful, quick and cheap method. Don't know if my fellow Florida Rose Bud still checks in here, but she is the one that posted the idea on this forum.

Don Juan is a climbing rose that grows typically at least 10-12' tall & 8' wide. You're concerned that the Knockouts will eventually grow too big for the space, so just checking in with Don Juan's eventual size. Since you plan to train the long canes horizontally, the height will be reduced by adding to the width. Jackson & Perkins recommends planting 8' apart for solid coverage. ( http://tinyurl.com/mr5r7a8 ) Click on "plant description" at that link for further details. So I'm with kippy & brittie here that you wouldn't need more than 2 for your 15' fence.

Though you're thinking of trellis to space the roses away from the fence, consider the suggestions of boncrow & kippy for espaliering using the fence. Eyebolts of appropriate length can be screwed to the fence to hold horizontal runs of wire, or blocks of wood or whatever can be attached to the fence at right angles to project from it to hold shorter eyebolts for the same purpose. (And light to medium weight trellis can be attached in the same manner from the fence.) This is the simplest, least expensive & most unobtrusive method. Canes are lightly tied to the wires with soft material, as you probably saw in the videos, in a figure 8.

Check out kona's photos - 3rd & 4th down on the left in the link below - to see how this has been done. There are only two runs of wire. While you're there, check out all the photos of this lovely rose & the ways it's been grown.

Here is a link that might be useful: Don Juan photos

This post was edited by vasue on Sun, Aug 31, 14 at 19:38

Fantastic, Thanks so much Kim, the very least i can do for a plant so obvious to live is transplant somewhere else.

Fingers crossed, i'll wait until the end of September early oct. I'm sure by then Wa state will have more than plenty of rain.

Cheers.

You're welcome! I hope it helps. Good luck with the transplant. Kim

My favorite source from Canada is Palatine Roses but I don't know if they have own roots or not. I do know they use multiflora root stock.

My Viking Queen took a couple years to really get good . It is worth it. It is my best performer this summer growing up over the trellis. In the winter I have to lay it down and cover with leaves.

I enjoyed seeing the full article, Henry. Thank you.

Another look at the winners:

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose Trials Asheville, NC USA - May 24, 2014

Jackie, I think this is actually WISLEY 2008, with no "N".

John

Thanks, John. Now I found it. One of the pictures looks as if it could be a climber in this country - that would explain why it is putting out "long, thick canes" instead of blooming - it is waiting to bloom until it thinks it has achieved a respectable height. In any case, planting it in the ground should solve everything.

Jackie

If ur interested in spraying try Forbid or Floromite.

Pull off all of the old leaves then wash the foliage every day for three or four days like Jeri said. If you wanted to spray something because spraying would make YOU feel better, you could order a miticide online (you're unlikely to find such a specialty product locally) but you need to start washing the foliage with water immediately. Since it would take a couple of days for the miticide to be delivered, the washing will have cleared up the mites by the time it arrives.

Bart, it sounds to me as if your spot gets plenty of sun. Roses are not allergic to shade, they just need enough sun .

To answer your question, I have happy bushes of the tea roses Safrano, Josehp Schwartz, Susan Louise, and Mrs Dudley Cross; and the china rose Cramoisi Superior (or some other similar red china) loves it there. Also the hybrid musk Pax, the rambler Dawson's Apple Blossom, and the hybrid multiflora de la Grifferaie, and the polyantha Little White Pet. In my garden these all get less sun in the afternoon than you describe, and morning shade

The best repeat bloomers of the above list in these conditions are the tea and china roses.

Jackie

Thanks, forum maties! bart