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alameda/zone 8

I checked the one on the right - am seeing feeder roots but nothing close to the bottom. The smaller one was potted up in the fall and I seriously doubt it has made much progress. I stuck in its photo to compare the older potted band. Glad to hear you say they look good! The tiny one is a Vintage band from fall out of their import group. The other is Braveheart from Heirloom. On the older bands, I have dribbled a bit of Rose Tone and I watered with a VERY dilute solution of rainwater and Maxicrop seaweed/kelp.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:38PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I find it interesting that I keep seeing a similar pattern. First, people recommend NOT providing fertilizer for new bands. Then, I see people posting about their bands taking so long to grow. I understand that water-soluble fertilizers can burn tender band-roots if given in excess, but I tried mixing my own nutrient-rich potting mix for my bands last Spring.

In a wheelbarrow, I mixed equal parts (by volume) of peat moss, shredded hardwood mulch, and Bovung dehydrated cow manure (all from Home Depot). For 1gal containers (tiny bands), I sprinkled 1/2 cup of Jobe's Organic Knock-Out fertilizer in layers as I filled the pots. For 2gal containers (larger bands), I used 1 cup. When fully potted, each received its first soaking with fish/seaweed emulsion diluted in water at half the recommended rate, then set out in mid-Spring to get all the rain and sun. Where I am, beat-down hot sun doesn't really arrive until June, and by that time, the bands were growing well enough to have been put in full-sun, anyway.

I did get some "really tiny bands" with my order, while others were more substantial -- virtually all grew like gangbusters. My 'Jaune Desprez', a yellow Tea-Noisette notorious for being a slow starter own-root, came as a thin twig but soon put out a new cane from the roots that grew, sprouted further, and reached over 6' tall by the end of Autumn. I posted about it on the Antiques forum, with lots of before and after pics.

Addendum -- the 'Sweet Chariot' I received was mislabeled, and turned out to be some mystery Multiflora hybrid yet to be identified.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: Some before and after showing growth so far

    Bookmark   February 17, 2014 at 1:07AM
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aviastar 7A Virginia

It depends, roseseek. I've been given some of those potted minis for Valentines for the past three years and they live quite happily on my kitchen table till about April when they make their way out to a bed I have dedicated to them. I now have two plants that have been healthy, doubled in size every year, and bloom happily all season and a brand new one waiting to go out this year. They are completely unlabeled, under $5, and apparently quite tough.

I've also had some other potted plants from grocery stores that didn't perform well, but I've been really lucky with the mini roses.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 10:14PM
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susan4952(5)

And they are tempting...especially in Chicago....in February.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 10:49PM
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bethnorcal9

I got mine a couple yrs ago from Edmund's. It's in a 16" plastic pot in my backyard "pot ghetto" which is in part sun/part shade. It does very well, blooms frequently and the blooms are pretty nice.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 4:38PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Thanks, Beth :)

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 5:07PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

I think I purchased Moonstone from Edmund's the first year that they offered it. It is winter tender some...not as much as Falling in Love and St. Patrick. Each spring I prune Falling in Love close to the ground. It amazes me how it will grow back....if it ever dies I probably won't replace it because of the thorns...love the bloom. Moonstone is a more vigorous bush in my garden and lots more blooms. You probably just got a not-so-good bush. I think that happens to me sometimes. Definitely bury the graft/bud union a couple of inches deep. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what makes it in my garden. I did NO winter protection!

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 12:30PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Cajun Moon might be better. My Moonstone always has split centers too, and I'm hoping it dies under the snow (I know that it won't, but I'm digging it out as soon as the bed thaws).

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 12:18PM
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seil zone 6b MI

And another one bites the dust...this is getting to be a frightening trend.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:40AM
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roseseek

We're all aging. Add the weather and economic tolls to the mix and it isn't surprising. There doesn't seem to be any new, "young blood" entering the industry, so expect more of it. I've never dealt with them, but I share your sense of loss and wish them the best. Kim

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 12:05PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Here's a hint that may help. I remember years ago when I moved to Texas--2 states over. I had lots of medium and large houseplants and wondered how to move them. Dad grabbed a couple of tall wastebaskets and a (clean) garbage can out of the stack of items to be moved and put a plant or two in each one. They rode happily to Texas, well-protected and some guaranteed air space around them. (I used the same method when I moved to Kansas three years later.)

I would think that would work for potted roses also.

Hope that helps.

Kate

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 9:30AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I think you've gotten great advise here so I'll just try and reassure you that they'll do fine for the move. I know a lot of people who have moved they're roses potted up all across the country and they did great!

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:54AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you, everyone.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 9:59AM
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seil zone 6b MI

You make a good point, Henry, about there being more than one virus under the RMV umbrella. There are a lot of variables involved and one rose with RMV could preform completely differently from another even if they're the same variety.

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 11:46AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I think Twilight Zone fits the definition of bluish purple. It's not reddish. I'm sure it's available somewhere in Canada, possibly even locally for you, since it's a popular rose right now. A bluish lavender rose is Blue Bayou, which, at this point, is pretty hard to get. Here's a pic of Twilight Zone. Diane

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 2:45AM
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roseseek

The two darker purple roses with the "bluest" tones are Blue for You, which is only available right now from Chamblee's Roses, and Rhapsody in Blue, which is more readily available. Greenheart has Blue for You in production to be sold to growers who will then grow on the plugs to retail size plants. I'd think you should then find it in big box stores and perhaps other nurseries. Both of these can give you some pretty "blue" tones. The alternatives are newer lavender roses such as Novalis (Poseidon) and Blue Bayou which appear to be pretty much sold out from most sources from what I've seen. Kim

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 3:09AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Those are some seriously gorgeous pictures of gorgeous roses - every single one of those above. Wow!!!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 9:46PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Thanks, Carol. I'm glad you're back and hope you are feeling better. We need your rose enthusiasm. Diane

    Bookmark   February 16, 2014 at 2:49AM
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seil zone 6b MI

The problem with the Knock Outs isn't the rose, it's the fact that most of them are in huge mass plantings that NO ONE tends. They plant them and forget them. Oh, someone may go by in the spring and prune them down with hedge trimmers and maybe if it's really dry throw some water on them (not even that in most cases though) but they're not really cared for. So when one plant does become infected it isn't caught immediately and ripped out and burned. It stays there infecting more and spreading the disease (and the mite that carries it) to more and more places. I know several people who have seen infected plants and notified the business of the problem and still nothing was done. They aren't rose people and they don't care.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 7:17PM
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prairielaura(6b)

Seil, that makes perfect sense. And i don't see an easy solution.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 10:40PM
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justkristy(8TX)

Hello Judith,
The man at Chamblee's said that fertilizing now was fine. He recommended long acting Osmocote Plus, He also said you only have to use it twice a year. I wonder if anyone else has used this before?

Kristy

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 6:54PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Judith, I think it's more or less OK to add any type of organics at any time. So the Rose Tone was probably OK and fish emulsion is too. As for chemical fertilizers, I would hold off until you are absolutely certain any new growth that fertilizer may push now will not be frozen off. And in this whacked out winter I'm not sure you can be yet. Besides that, as you've said, if the soil isn't warm enough it could just be a waste of time and money. I know you're eager (I sure am and I have months to wait yet) but I think some patience and caution with this winter is in order.

I use the time release Osmocote all the time. It's worked fine for me. I've used lots of other brands too because I usually get what ever is cheapest or on sale when I need to buy more. Just read the directions carefully and follow them faithfully!

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 7:09PM
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Maryl zone 7a

I picked my Flawless up at Lowes 3 years ago. It does produce very nice blooms. I discovered that the fullness of the bush when I first purchased it was due to the fact that they had put 4 bushes in the same pot. Separated out the "bushiness" was greatly reduced, and to this day it is not a particularly leafy bush. However the flowers keep coming, and are such a pretty shade of pink that it's growth pattern has so far been ignored. It has also proven to have better then average disease resistance. Short, large flowered roses are perfect for some landscaping situations (containers too) and usually hard to find. FLawless is a good example of one....Maryl

    Bookmark   May 11, 2013 at 2:20PM
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growing_rene2

I just ran across this thread. I just returned home, from Lowe's, with Deja blu. I am really curious as to how yours did. I also saw flawless but left it behind since I wasn't planning on grabbing the 2 I did. :)

I hope your Deja Blu has been thriving since!
~René

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 2:31PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

What a nice guy you've got!! Congratulations on your sweetie!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 9:37PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you, Carol.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 6:42AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Thanks, Seil! I think I'm doing a little better - but if I compared myself to Friday night (when I came home) - I would probably find myself in substantially less pain. Thanks for the nod to Dolly Parton - yay!! Dee-Lish - guess we'll have to see. This must be a new rose?

Thanks Sara-Ann - Prayers are soooo welcome! Thanks for your kind thoughts. :)

Wirosarian - oh, really?...hmmm...that's too bad. I haven't heard yet if mine is available. I think I ordered that one from Hortico.

Thanks, Kim! I guess I could have figured that one out by myself. :) Let's blame the pills (for pain) LOL

Thanks, Pat! Yay for prayer power!!

Kentucky-rose - Thanks so much!! Now I want to do as well as Petaloid!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 9:38AM
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rross(NSW Aust)

Hello. I hope you feel better and better every day!

I have Love's Promise - it's called Red Cross here. I bought it because of the hype about its supposed scent and continuous blooming. I love the look of the flower but it's barely scented and it's a sparse boomer so far. I'm thinking of replacing it with Firefighter.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 5:47AM
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zone6-nj

I'm in northern jersey, zone 6A. I got an own root from Chamblees that literally grew 3 feet in one season, the tallest out of all of my roses. It's definitely a climber, the canes are tall and needed to be tied to the fence behind it. The flowers are beautiful, last abnormally long for an austin (like 4 days) since it was a one year plant I only got a few blooms but they didn't have much scent, which is normal for me and young plants. I'd give it a year though to get better.

One thing i must say though, it is very very thorny. I'll try and get a picture up of the thorns. Thorns don't bother me though, if the plant can prove itself to be good thorns don't matter at all to me.

Let me know of you need anything else.

Drew

This post was edited by zone6-nj on Fri, Feb 14, 14 at 17:31

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 5:18PM
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alameda/zone 8

I am from Texas so cant attest to hardiness in zone 5 [though it has seemed like it here the last few weeks]. I really like this rose - it gets very large on my big fan trellis, healthy foliage and lots of blooms. Yes, its thorny, but that's not a problem. It is a really pretty rose and very healthy. Chamblees prices are great - I would suggest trying it and mulching well in winter or laying it down and covering with burlap and hay. Am sure you will be pleased with it.
Judith

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 2:05AM
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