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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Could be these are once-blooming roses that you are frustrating by pruning severely in the fall. Once-bloomers bloom in late spring on laterals produced by canes that have been through a winter. Most of them should not be pruned severely and never in the fall. (Actually rose people do not do ANY major pruning in the fall on any type of rose.)

If your roses used to be hybrid teas (florist-type) and have been neglected, the tops may have been killed by winter and the rootstock has taken over. The rootstock would be a dark red once-bloomer called 'Dr. Huey'. It has glossy dark foliage that is reddish when young. The canes grow out vigorously but do not set flower buds in their first season. They will bloom the following spring.

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 10:04AM
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jacqueline9CA

Where are you? (approximately). Water is the most important thing, but what kind of rain do they get already? For example, where I live in CA in a normal year (which we haven't had for 3 years), it rains 40 inches, but only Nov thru Feb, with the other 8 months being totally dry. So, we irrigate our gardens for those 8 months (at least those of us who have roses).

Does it rain every week or month where you live? How much?

Also, how cold does it get in the winter? Snow? For how many months?

If you can give us just some basic info, someone on here will be able to give you good advice.

Jackie

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 11:46AM
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susan4952(5)

Please tell me my 3 year old will look like yours! Mine is surrounded by mostly Austin's. the runners seem to shoot out in every direction, but they have not yet affected the roses. This is early spring so u cannot tell, but there is a New Dawn that happily coexists with this tree. I know the standards are a lot easier to control. Your vine is beautiful.

    Bookmark     September 2, 2013 at 8:14PM
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kandhi(z7VA)

What is the name of the white wisteria posted above, Do you fertilize it to have that many blooms?

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 11:26AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

I grew it a while back. IIRC it was beloved as an exhibition rose for the shape of the bud and that it could be teased open for rose shows successfully. (And it made big blooms on long straight stems.)

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 11:15AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Hold them at the angle of the teepee you intend to build. If they sag, get something of a larger diameter. Strong is good.

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 10:00AM
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seil zone 6b MI

As hoov said stronger is better! Think about the weight of a full grown rose, in full bloom, and wet from rain. That's very heavy stuff!

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 10:36AM
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Cher(6 SW OH)

Ignore - posted in a different area.

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 7:37AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

I think that not having a mono culture of just one plant has helped draw in the birds.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 8:12PM
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cecily(7 VA)

Hello JrTack, welcome to the rose forum. I think your foliage looks terrific. The slug damage is minimal and I wouldn't spray at this point -- rose slugs appear in early spring and vanish when the weather heats up. Sort of like aphids -- a large number appear when the bushes first leaf out and then only minimal numbers for the rest of the growing season. Your roses are in good shape, enjoy the flowers.

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 7:32AM
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dukegg1(z6/7NJ)

Update: Here's my first rose (about May 15th). I've had about 8 blooms by now. So...I guess the early planting didnt hurt. PS, leaves look better now, too; I took care of whatever was munching on them.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 8:43PM
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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

Likely a rose slug, small green worms that eat the leaves from the underside. I had them for the first time this year. New growth looks great!

This post was edited by mzstitch on Tue, Jun 3, 14 at 6:49

    Bookmark     June 3, 2014 at 6:47AM
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clax66

We had a brutal winter and an ice storm that caused major damage on the tree canopy in my city. I lost a few perennials but my David Austin roses survived...well, I'm not sure about one, there has been a little growth at the base but it hasn't been able to catch up to her sisters. I haven't had the heart to give up on her yet:(

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 10:50PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

I lost all my rose trees in pots, 36 of them! They were in a shed during the winter, and I lost about 25 roses in the garden, plus it was the worst winter for rabbit damage.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 11:56PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

That's wonderful, Sara-Ann, and I'm happy for you, knowing only too well what an incredible blessing that is. We've had no rain in what seems like forever, and will not have any until October or November at the earliest, with ever-present fire danger. Still, it's good to know that for someone there is the wonderful relief of a wet sky, and what it does to make the garden come alive again.

Ingrid

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 4:27PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you everyone. I am hoping all who need rain will get it and this drought will end. This is serious for a lot of people. My main concern for here is our water situation. Our city is working on this issue and they are making some progress. I lost a majority of my roses several years ago, due to drought and I don't want that to happen again. Weather can sure wreak havoc, can't it?. The horrible winter that some had, the drought, the heat, there's always something! I am generally an upbeat person and try to have a positive outlook and I am very happy for this small reprieve and hope this situation is going to get better for everyone..

This post was edited by Sara-Ann on Mon, Jun 2, 14 at 23:22

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 8:41PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

I seriously doubt that anyone growing Lavender Lassie would agree with Pickering that it "blooms continuously," however generously that is construed.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 4:37PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

The Lavender Lassies in the pic I included are about 11 years old and originally grafted on Multiflora from PIckering. They receive about 8 hours of direct sun a day. They bloom twice a year with deadheading. Has been that way since year 1 and only the volume of blooms changed with age. It is by no stretch a continuous bloomer. They also blackspot mildly every summer in the bottom 15-20% of leaves, then drop the leaves cleanly and regrow new ones. The same experience with an LL I planted in the east coast of Canada in every regard.

I still think the rose in your pic is a bourbon, but whatever it is, as long as you're happy with it, that is all that truly matters.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 8:23PM
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Lilyfinch z7 mid tn

Would you consider plants for the narrow area? It's the perfect space for some catmint or some sort of plant that plays off the beautiful colors of roses. Maybe something white ..
Then you wouldn't have to worry about running a lawn mower in that narrow area.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 8:24AM
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serge94501

Thanks...I did consider flowers but then again I will need from time to time to park on that strip and grass has a better recovery potential I think.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 6:45PM
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charleney(8a PNW)

just googled it too. I really think it is the crazy weather, and that seems to make the most sense. I will still do the white paper thing. I do not and I mean 'do not' spray insecticides of any kind. I see many birds of all types, and a few bees coming back lately. I do a happy dance about these

    Bookmark     June 1, 2014 at 11:39PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Sadly we once had lots of birds but hawks have been keeping them away parts of the summer these past 2 years...
We have been getting a decent amount of bees... Honey and bumbles...

I hope you figure out your petal problem charleney...

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 6:16PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Listen to buford. When I moved up here in 08 from S.E FL., the biggest change for me was the soil. Once you get that figured out, roses up in this part of the state grow large with larger blooms in the spring and fall. You also have to watch out for ice storms during the winter. Snow is good. Ice is not. Over all, I enjoy growing roses up here compared to FL.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2014 at 11:19PM
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teka2rjleffel(z10FL)

I expected a soil change. I can't resist digging in the dirt even on vacation. So I did a little on vacation in the GA mnts. I didn't know if the entire state was clay though. How about bug and disease issues?

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 4:59PM
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henry_kuska

michaelg is correct for normal herbicide spray damage; but if the herbicide is picked up by a root, the damage could be more local. (This is not written for your case, but for other readers who may have a problem in the future.)

This post was edited by henry_kuska on Mon, Jun 2, 14 at 14:18

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 2:17PM
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seil zone 6b MI

If you or a neighbor (which is what happened to me) sprayed any kind of herbicide OR used a weed and feed on the lawn it's probably that. Don't be fooled into thinking that if you didn't spray it it can't be that. Herbicide sprays can travel a long way on any kind of breeze. Unfortunately most people are not any where near as careful with the stuff as they should be.

My neighbor was spraying for poison ivy in his yard and hedge but he never bothered to check on wind conditions before hand, he just sprayed when and where ever he saw it. He never told me until after I found the damage on my roses. Like you I freaked out and thought it was RRD. Until I spotted him out there spraying on a blustery day! After talking to him I realized what had happened. His hedge is a good 30 or 40 feet from my rose bed but the prevailing winds come from that direction and it was blown all the way into my bed. I lost a few other perennials because of it too. Now he knows to let me know when he's going to spray so I can protect my roses.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 3:34PM
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charleney(8a PNW)

I am soooo sorry that all of you have had the same awful experience. Hoping it will stop more f you from doing this. It was a terrible! I did use the cardboard and newspaper around new beds, and I liked it a lot. I think that is why my mulch is so fantastic. Love to you all, you need it.

Char.

    Bookmark     June 1, 2014 at 7:46PM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

I doubt there are many of us who haven't had the nightmare of weed barrier cloth. It gets you over and over:

1. its expensive
2. its a pain to install
3. it makes it difficult to plant
4. mulch will readily slide away
5. there are just as many weeds as before
6. the fine roots of the weeds grow right through the cloth, latch on and become impossible to pull out
7. removing the cloth requires first removing all of the mulch and a whole lotta time and mess
8. every time you remember steps 1 through 7 you feel so dumb because, as a gardener, you already knew that weed seeds come from above. Not below.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 1:13PM
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