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seil zone 6b MI

The problem with the Knock Outs isn't the rose, it's the fact that most of them are in huge mass plantings that NO ONE tends. They plant them and forget them. Oh, someone may go by in the spring and prune them down with hedge trimmers and maybe if it's really dry throw some water on them (not even that in most cases though) but they're not really cared for. So when one plant does become infected it isn't caught immediately and ripped out and burned. It stays there infecting more and spreading the disease (and the mite that carries it) to more and more places. I know several people who have seen infected plants and notified the business of the problem and still nothing was done. They aren't rose people and they don't care.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 7:17PM
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prairielaura(6b)

Seil, that makes perfect sense. And i don't see an easy solution.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 10:40PM
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justkristy(8TX)

Hello Judith,
The man at Chamblee's said that fertilizing now was fine. He recommended long acting Osmocote Plus, He also said you only have to use it twice a year. I wonder if anyone else has used this before?

Kristy

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 6:54PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Judith, I think it's more or less OK to add any type of organics at any time. So the Rose Tone was probably OK and fish emulsion is too. As for chemical fertilizers, I would hold off until you are absolutely certain any new growth that fertilizer may push now will not be frozen off. And in this whacked out winter I'm not sure you can be yet. Besides that, as you've said, if the soil isn't warm enough it could just be a waste of time and money. I know you're eager (I sure am and I have months to wait yet) but I think some patience and caution with this winter is in order.

I use the time release Osmocote all the time. It's worked fine for me. I've used lots of other brands too because I usually get what ever is cheapest or on sale when I need to buy more. Just read the directions carefully and follow them faithfully!

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 7:09PM
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Maryl zone 7a

I picked my Flawless up at Lowes 3 years ago. It does produce very nice blooms. I discovered that the fullness of the bush when I first purchased it was due to the fact that they had put 4 bushes in the same pot. Separated out the "bushiness" was greatly reduced, and to this day it is not a particularly leafy bush. However the flowers keep coming, and are such a pretty shade of pink that it's growth pattern has so far been ignored. It has also proven to have better then average disease resistance. Short, large flowered roses are perfect for some landscaping situations (containers too) and usually hard to find. FLawless is a good example of one....Maryl

    Bookmark   May 11, 2013 at 2:20PM
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growing_rene2

I just ran across this thread. I just returned home, from Lowe's, with Deja blu. I am really curious as to how yours did. I also saw flawless but left it behind since I wasn't planning on grabbing the 2 I did. :)

I hope your Deja Blu has been thriving since!
~René

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 2:31PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

What a nice guy you've got!! Congratulations on your sweetie!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 9:37PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you, Carol.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 6:42AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Thanks, Seil! I think I'm doing a little better - but if I compared myself to Friday night (when I came home) - I would probably find myself in substantially less pain. Thanks for the nod to Dolly Parton - yay!! Dee-Lish - guess we'll have to see. This must be a new rose?

Thanks Sara-Ann - Prayers are soooo welcome! Thanks for your kind thoughts. :)

Wirosarian - oh, really?...hmmm...that's too bad. I haven't heard yet if mine is available. I think I ordered that one from Hortico.

Thanks, Kim! I guess I could have figured that one out by myself. :) Let's blame the pills (for pain) LOL

Thanks, Pat! Yay for prayer power!!

Kentucky-rose - Thanks so much!! Now I want to do as well as Petaloid!!
Carol

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 9:38AM
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rross(NSW Aust)

Hello. I hope you feel better and better every day!

I have Love's Promise - it's called Red Cross here. I bought it because of the hype about its supposed scent and continuous blooming. I love the look of the flower but it's barely scented and it's a sparse boomer so far. I'm thinking of replacing it with Firefighter.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 5:47AM
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zone6-nj

I'm in northern jersey, zone 6A. I got an own root from Chamblees that literally grew 3 feet in one season, the tallest out of all of my roses. It's definitely a climber, the canes are tall and needed to be tied to the fence behind it. The flowers are beautiful, last abnormally long for an austin (like 4 days) since it was a one year plant I only got a few blooms but they didn't have much scent, which is normal for me and young plants. I'd give it a year though to get better.

One thing i must say though, it is very very thorny. I'll try and get a picture up of the thorns. Thorns don't bother me though, if the plant can prove itself to be good thorns don't matter at all to me.

Let me know of you need anything else.

Drew

This post was edited by zone6-nj on Fri, Feb 14, 14 at 17:31

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 5:18PM
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alameda/zone 8

I am from Texas so cant attest to hardiness in zone 5 [though it has seemed like it here the last few weeks]. I really like this rose - it gets very large on my big fan trellis, healthy foliage and lots of blooms. Yes, its thorny, but that's not a problem. It is a really pretty rose and very healthy. Chamblees prices are great - I would suggest trying it and mulching well in winter or laying it down and covering with burlap and hay. Am sure you will be pleased with it.
Judith

    Bookmark   February 15, 2014 at 2:05AM
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the_bustopher z6 MO

How is the US so different from England? For one thing, latitude. Much of the US is south of the latitude of the British Isles. That changes the angle and intensity of the sun and its effects on color development and retention. The differences in color of the same variety on the same rootstock between two places such as here in KC and Milwaukee, WI, for instance, a place farther north, are quite noticeable. The color difference between Milwaukee and Seattle, close to the same latitude but different climates, is not that much. England is also not so big that the ocean air effects are completely lost on the interior of the country. That is not true here. A humid continental climate such as most of the US has wider temperature variations than a coastal marine climate. As for any states in the US that have a climate similar to England, northern Oregon and Washington west of the Cascades are quite British-like. Roses that do well in England do well there. Some of them may do okay in the Midwest, but not many of them.

If I could suggest one alternative, I would have a look at Palatine's catalog and look at the Kordes variety Summer Sun. That one might be okay. I am not growing it, but it would be on my list to try if I have the space and my Summer Songs kick the bucket. Just my suggestion, for what it is worth.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 5:34PM
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caldonbeck(UK (8))

The question you asked is so simplistic that it is difficult to answer. I don't live in the US obviously, but you can't even compare one state to another so the whole of the US compared to UK is impossible. Generally though, we are a lot further north, David Austin is in Shropshire, which is on a similar line to North Germany, virtually Denmark, and Saskatchewan in Canada. It's rare on here for there be such a consensus on one rose so I would take that on board. One thing I don't get though, why introduce the sport of it 'Carolyn Knight' are they hoping to prey on peoples credulous simplicity?

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 10:46PM
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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

Thanks for your imput. It's so beautiful I tried to order it anyway, but sadly Roses Unlimited is all out, and thats where I prefer to order my roses since I live here in S.C. Trying to order a Sonia Rykiel instead as I'm looking for a nice pink addittion to my garden.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 11:07AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

mzstitch,
I have 'Colette' buried in a 5 gal. container (gophers) about 5 yrs. and I assume the roots have grown thru the drinage holes. With minimal pruning she's stayed about 4 1/2 ft. And here everything outgrows listed heights.

She's not a dense bush, rather twiggy & open. I have a salvia that intermingles plus annuals/perrenials around her. Sometimes she's pink. Mostly apricot pink. More of a charming rose rather than a beauty.
Irisgal

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 10:39PM
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Susanne27(5a Ontario Canada)

My heart goes out to those of you in the south and northeast who are experiencing yet again unusually severe weather conditions. This has been a tough winter up here as well. According to the US map, I am actually in zone 4 although it is shown as zone 5 in Canada. The deep snow cover probably is a blessing as everything - roses, perennials, bushes etc. - are completely blanketed. Its good to see that there are other cold weather rose growers on the forum. It gives me hope and encouragement.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 8:47AM
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susan4952(5)

Plenty of cold zoners on this forum! Welcome to the optimist club. I also think I will have to prune WAY down this spring. And if they don't survive? Well then we will already have holes dug for the new guys.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 10:10PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

My experience is that the color of Munstead Wood is deeper and darker.

The main difference I'm seeing so far is that MW has a very different bush shape--it is much shorter than WS2000 and never has that awkward sideways spread that WS2000 specializes in. In fact, MW tends to form a most shapely and graceful bush so far--but mine is still relatively new, so we'll see in another year or two.

I do like both--and I grow both. Given their differences in size and shape, they serve somewhat different functions in a garden.

I think, if I had to make a choice, I like the MW bloom best, but that is not meant as a put-down of WS2000's beautiful quartered blooms. Both are beautiful.

Kate

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 10:15AM
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KarenPA_6b

Thank you, Kate for the detailed description of both plants. It really helps me a lot in my selection. If space and time is not limited, I would go for both. But Mustead Wood definitely fits my need. Thanks again.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 3:00PM
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zaphod42

I'm excited to hear Capitaine John Ingram on the list. I just planted one last year and can't wait to see it bloom this year.

Comice de Tarn-et-Garonne

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 9:42AM
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msjam2

My favorite, Mary Magdalane

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 11:17AM
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lucillle

Lesley, your reach should always exceed your grasp. I will totally cheer you on if you are in the Derby starting lineup someday:)

    Bookmark   February 13, 2014 at 2:56PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Lucille, I think I might love you!

Harryshoe, that is a stunning picture!

Hooray for all of you enablers... you enrich my life!

Happy Valentine's Day!

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 9:33AM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Andrea if the roses were bands or in small pots there might be a problem, but if they're already in 5-gallon pots I think they'll be sturdy enough to be acclimated to the heat if you plant them in April. When they're in the ground you can do a better job of watering and mulching to get them through the summer, whereas in the pots they'll be much more vulnerable to the heat.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   February 13, 2014 at 6:36PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Well, it seems I'm out-numbered! but I had a terrible disappointment planting out potted roses in my climate in spring. Maybe i didn't coddle them enough or something but last spring, since it wasn't too hot and dry, I tried planting out 12 potted plants from Barni:6 roses, 3 wisteria ,3 clematis.Only one of the wisteria survived, and 2 of the 3 clematis.Only 3 of the roses did decently; of the others, one died, one seems to be alive, though it's reduced to one short cane ,one I moved back into a pot and I don't know if it'll survive...so I would avoid trying to plant potted stuff out in the future in spring!

    Bookmark   February 14, 2014 at 5:41AM
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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

This was my original post from this summer that was brought up to the top again. When it came time to place my order, I changed my mind and went with Bolero to play it a bit safer. Now you are making me regret my decision!!!

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 10:20PM
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Molineux(6b)

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fragrance. FAIR BIANCA's blooms possess a very strong and unique fragrance. David Austin describes it as myrrh, but to me it smells oddly like Noxzema face cream with a subtle vanilla note. I know it sounds odd but the unusual perfume fits the pristine whiteness of the blooms perfectly.

You know folks the more years I spend with this rose the more I'm coming to realize just how much I like it. Yes she lacks the presence of the larger cultivars but there is place in the garden for petite roses too. The medium sized flowers are large in proportion to small upright plant, which in their own way draw the eye down to the plant.

Provided you can get her grafted and are willing to spray and fertilize then Fair Bianca performs admirably.

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 12:21PM
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henry_kuska

See:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20607379

Here is a link that might be useful: roses in Chile

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 11:15AM
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gardentiller

Thank you HK, The local florist told me that some varieties (Freedom) grown from Prima Rose, Ecuador, is much larger and better quality than that of other grower's.
I know there are many cut flower rose grower in Ecuador, some of them are European origin. Is possible some grower adapting better way to propagated their plants.
If time allowed, I am going to do the index testing on RMV of some SA imported cut rose flower this year. I have tiny VI Mme Butterfly, I am waiting it grow large enough to do the test.
Gardentiler

    Bookmark   February 12, 2014 at 11:49AM
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