22,152 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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jacqueline9CA

No - it is not possible for "rootstock" blooms to suddenly show up on old canes which previously produced blooms of the scion (desired top rose). Rootstock blooms will always show up on their own canes, whether old or new.

However it is possible that the "old" canes with the single pink blooms were there before, but not yet blooming, so you did not notice them. In that case they could be rootstock.

Please post a picture of the single pink blooms - someone may be able to identify them.

The other thing which might have happened is that your rose sported (mutated) to this new bloom type, but again the canes which are now "old" would have existed in prior seasons, possibly not yet blooming. I believe that sports can happen on new growth off old canes, but to take over half of the bush it seems to me that you would have noticed them before.

Please post a pic of the entire bush - this will be interesting to everyone!

Jackie

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 1:48PM
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Dar(musaboru, Inland Calif.)

There is another possibility called a graft-chimera, but is very unlikely.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 10:40PM
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suebelle_neworleans

Reminds me of "Regensberg"

Is that a possibility?

Suebelle

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 8:03PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

It looks so so so close to Erfurt, but not quite. One distinct feature was a pure white reverse. Looking at the photos on hmf, the backs of the petals on Erfurt have pink on the tips. The mystery doesn't. Also the pinks don't seem the same....so close, so close.

Regensberg looks mostly white. This one is distinctly pink with white.

Thanks for looking and responding, vasue and Suebelle!

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 8:36PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

From your list, Buff Beauty and Golden Celebration have 7 leaves.

I don't know about Graham Thomas.

Gold Medal is 5 leafed, if I remember correctly.

Hope that helps.
Kate

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 3:01PM
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caflowerluver(9b)

Thanks for the reply. It does help. I am playing detective. I receiving cuttings in 11/2012 and now 2 are blooming so trying to figure what rose each came from.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 8:35PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Thanks again for the kind comments. I like that fall photo with the asters too, Carol. It's a nice way to tone down the "in your face" coral of Liverpool Remembers. in general, though, I obviously am going for profuse and bright blooms when I can get them - a riot of color is a great description of my target, MirandaJean, even if I never totally get there.

Kim - yep, tulips in your zone would be way too much like work. It's like the work of planting and digging dahlias or glads or agapanthus or the many bulbs that are happy to the point of being weeds in zones like yours. Isn't it fun that roses have the diversity to span the range of climates from zones 3 to 11 and beyond? In picking a passion, roses are good for the long run in my world.

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 5:30PM
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bluegirl_gw

Just ASTONISHING! Oh my goodness, that is lovely! Any part of the yard--the roses, or one bed--is incredible.

The entire sweep--mind boggling! Wow, I think your whole town ought to give you some sort of award for bringing so much beauty to their world.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 6:33PM
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kidhorn(7a MD)

I would think your soil in central PA has plenty of iron. Is the soil red or brown?

If the soil is high in aluminum, this can cause an iron deficiency.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 10:42AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Kidhorn, our soil probably does have enough iron BUT the waterlogging and cooler soil is not allowing the plant to use it at the present time.

Thanks for the suggestions MichaelG much appreciated...

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 5:07PM
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zack_lau z6 CT

You don't want to water too much, either. The roots need air as well as water. How often you need to water is depends on your climate and soil.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 8:24PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Dani,

Fanning canes of GJ on a fence is a good idea. Do that with the long canes that she produces in late summer and they will bloom the following year, maybe with some repeat bloom too.

GJ's thorns are among the most horrible in rosedom, literally sharp as needles. Always armor up!

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 1:06PM
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elks(US5 Can6)

When it finishes blooming, shape as you wish so that it can send up new canes this year to bloom next.

Steve

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 6:19AM
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april_pnw

Thanks, Steve. I wasn't sure if a major cane removal was done at the same time as regular pruning. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

April

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 12:24PM
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kingcobbtx9b

Its a beautiful rose. This was mine before transplanting.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 12:07PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Rose slugs. Turn over the leaves and squint at the underside as you look for tiny, tiny green wormlike critters. Squish with your fingers -- or toss into the lawn if your stomach is quesy.

Usually all one has to do is WAIT a couple weeks--for the good bugs to show up and gobble up the rose slugs, but they usually arrive before that much damage gets done. Have you been spraying the roses with insecticides in the past? They will kill off the good bugs also. If so, you may have to wait until next year for the good bugs to return.

The manual method is the only way I know to keep them under control while you wait for the good bugs. Maybe some other posters will have some other suggestions.

Good luck.

Kate

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 9:04AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Yep looks like you have some hungry rose slugs...
I have seen small birds and predatory wasps eat them once in awhile but that's about it around here.

I have no idea about your area though...

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 9:29AM
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elks(US5 Can6)

Well, if you are living in zone 5 as the number beside your user name suggests, then you are maybe a month early to be getting blooms. My roses too are leafing out beautifully, but only the more species-like are budding now. Don't give up hope yet. It might be worthwhile to have a soil test done so that you know exactly what your dirt needs, or has too much of.

Steve

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 6:17AM
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nikkinik

Thanks! Should I keep it or toss it out? How would I even get it to root and is it possible?

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 2:31PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

After help from Adam's post, I did some web research. It seems that Ruscus hypophyllum is used in the flower trade. It is a member of the lily family. Propagation is typically done by division of the underground rhizome. It does well in shade.

Nice and green!

Here is a link that might be useful: Ruscus hypophyllum

    Bookmark     May 30, 2014 at 1:54AM
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justkristyj

I just hard pruned Madame Alfred Carriere for blackspot and cane die-back, all 24 feet of her....I hope she responds this way. My pergola looks very bare without her.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 7:36AM
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rross(NSW Aust)

I got sick of my Nancy Hayward climbing rose that hardly ever flowered despite supposedly being an ever bloomer. I hacked it back to less than a metre and got ready to dig it out of the ground and unload it on a friend who doesn't mind flowerless garden thugs. This morning I noticed a whole lot of flower buds on it. I don't know what I did right.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 10:43PM
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ehlerslw

I have two kinds yellow roses. my Julia child roses so far have been slow to grow for me. one is getting black spot so far and the other is just not really doing anything. now my other yellow rose strike it rich is just doing great! it has blooms all over it and new starts on it and getting ready for more blooms. so far I have been disappointed in Julia child.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 8:33PM
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farmerduck

A little surprised to see the reception Sunsprite got here. I have both Sunsprite and JC, both 4 years old now. Sunsprite is a 7 feet tall, 3 feet wide bush now, and JC died almost to the ground last winter and is about 2 feet tall now. Yes, JC's bush shape is fuller than Sunsprite, but IN MY GARDEN, JC is not blackspot resistant. It was given he best spot in terms of getting full-day sun and good air circulation because DW is a big fun of the French Chef, but it spotted each year to the point of being 90% naked.

Don't get me wrong: JC is a great rose, and it can be spetacular in the right location (see Nanadoll's pictures). However, depending on the attributes that you are looking at, Sunsprite can be the superior rose. The only JCs I saw in person other than my own are at the botanical gardens in the City, none of which looks nearly as good/big/health as Nanadoll's or mzstich's (breathtaking!) .

A breakdown based on my own experience:

Bush shape: JC's bush is fuller, but it has twiggy growth as the plant vigor is affected by blackspot. (I don't spray). Sunsprite grows straight and narrow. JC might win if I spray, but l don't.

Flower: Sunsprite does not last long. JC bleaches out quickly. I like Sunsprite better, but that does mean anything at all as it is purely subjective.

Fragrance: both have strong fragrance.

Repeat: each had 4 flushes last summer, but Sunsprite's repeats have more blooms (and come with leaves).

Disease: needless to say, Sunsprite wins by a mile.

Sunsprite for me has been a truly carefree rose. It sounds that JC can be one at the right garden, but just not in mine. Sunsprite is one of a handful of roses that I have grown that I think beat out Knockouts in terms of being tough, reliable and environmental friendly IN WHERE I LIVE. In DC, the blackspot pressure is even worse than where I am and the strains of blackspot might be similiar to what are here. I would try Sunsprite first instead of JC if you don't spray.

Also, a second vote for Golden Fairy Tale, which has been ridiculously vigorous and total blackspot resistant here in my garden.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 10:07PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Can't remember which critter chomps out of the side of buds like that. All I do is snap off the bud, toss it out in the middle of my lawn, and go my merry way. Seems like by the time I notice such damage, the critter is already done eating and has gone his merry way.

Kate

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 6:29PM
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Michaela .:. thegarden@902 .:. (Zone 5b - Iowa)

Glad to hear you are feeling better! Gardening is such a stress reliever for me. On rough days I come home from work & work in the garden before I even come inside. It really helps me leave my work stress outside the house. :)

And I love roses! Glad to hear yours are doing so well!!

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 5:07PM
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Zyperiris(Seattle)

Thanks guys I will post photos when I get the rest of the garden cleaned up. I bought some Dr Earth rose food today. I love my organics

    Bookmark     May 29, 2014 at 5:51PM
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