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Thanks, Seil, but the one cane isn't looking that good. I think the pith is dry. :(
I'd have left the dead leaves on the plant if I'd known they would shade the canes. I feel like an even bigger idiot.
File this under "My Most Stupid Gardening Mistakes."
I think I'll dig the poor thing up and get another rose. And treat it well.
Sylvia
Do not feel like an idiot! We have all done stuff like that! Chalk it up to experience. I , also don't think you have lost that rose. Just prune back the tops to good wood and give it good, semi-shaded, location. Dappled! And don't worry so much. I will bet it will come back. Keeping the good thoughts for you! Maybe turn a lawn chair over and use that as a screen from the hot sun!
I think the advice is spot-on, so I don't have anything to add there. However, I'm also in NJ, and I wanted to share in your excitement about the impending first-flush -- I'm also seeing buds everywhere! There's going to be something spectacular going on in the next week.
:-)
~Christopher
A Beauty! Another fan of Pearly Gates, and America from which it sported. Both are strongly & deliciously scented, abundant with bloom nearly continuously, hardy & healthy grown organically in this humid & wet central VA garden. Find their colors charming together or alone, mirror images of each other. Both glimmer with an inner light. Give it a bit more time & consider training those laterals horizontally along the fence slats.
Here is a link that might be useful: Pearly Gates
So great to hear more stories about this lovely rose from everyone! I think Pearly Gates will make a good cutting flower too as the stems are fairly long. Strangely, mine doesn't have much scent, but it's been very hot and dry here in CA, so maybe that affects it. I would love to train it laterally along the fence, but what the picture doesn't show is that there are roses on both sides. I guess I got greedy trying to fill up all available space. Hopefully it will still bloom if it's trained vertically!
Mikeber - sorry to hear yours got shovel pruned. :(
The Bayer all in one is not a great product. You have minimal blackspot protection and a lot of insecticide and chemical fertilizer. As others have said, aphids do not require insecticide. Just wipe them off or blast with the hose.
For blackspot, see if you can find the Bayer Disease Control. That is mixed with water and sprayed. It is very effective.
The only time I use the All in one is if there is a really bad infestation on a plant like lacebugs on an azalea. It's really overkill for aphids.
I try not to use chemicals if I can because I don't like them for a number of reasons but when I get a really bad case of black spot through out the garden late in the season I will use it. I need my roses to go into winter healthy so they'll survive. I use the Bayer disease control only and it works very well. I never get multi products because they seem like a waste to me. I have black spot not insects so why spray for bugs I don't have? Besides you're probably killing off beneficial insects that could cause you to have a worse problem later. And I fertilize regularly so why add more that's not needed? Use the correct product for what ever the problem is and don't add a bunch of stuff you don't really need. Works for me!
Thank you, but there are no leaves anyhow. I just got those two roses packed in plastic and bareroot. The mildew is on canes, bud union and even on roots. I cut whatever I could and placed them in water to soak. It would be good to kill the virus somehow.
Please help!
Soak them in a diluted bleach solution for a bit and then pot them up and isolate them from your other roses until it clears up. However, the fungus that causes mildew is already present in your garden and only needs the right weather conditions to grow and show up on your roses. You really can't prevent it from showing up if the conditions are right for it.
That's the sort of thing that could be rose midge damage, but they are usually not severe in the early season--only a few survive the winter.
Please add your state and climate zone to your signature. Rose midge has a limited range. Also eastern zone 7 and thereabouts had a severe late frost in mid-April that would cause that type of damage. I had to do a lot of re-pruning.
I used to just keep putting down new mulch over the old--but after years it wasn't completely rotting into the ground & it was nasty, so I raked it all off & started anew. Now, like I said, I use the mulch in the rose collars when I winterize.
I know this does not answer your specific question about Miracle Grow, but I use Rose Tone too with great results.
The thing I like about it most is that it does not harm the beneficial organisms in the soil in the way that products like Miracle Grow can. I find RoseTone (along with an annual top-dressing of leaf compost) promotes better soil biological life and this keeps my roses happier and healthier.
To me soil health is just as important in my book as providing food for the roses for them to grow vigorously and stay healthy. The soil is their home after all.
I am not expert, but the NPK ratio seems right for roses. But I think (and may be wrong) that there is more to enriching soil than these 3 components.
I mostly use Mills Magic Mix, sometimes Rose Tone. These organic, slow releasing fertilizers work well with my bushes. They are not as strong as miracle grow (low numbers) and don't work in seconds, but for me that's fine.
Unless you perform a systematic experiment, its hard to determine what works best for your roses, in your conditions. There are so many variables, from pH of the soil, to weather, humidity, sunlight, other plants in close proximity, bugs, etc, etc...
This post was edited by mikeber on Thu, May 22, 14 at 2:02
Thanks Seil, I tried to mound the soil up around it and just watering it in partially washed the mounded soil away from it already. [g] OK, 2-4 inches deep. It's raining right now and will be through most of Saturday, so Sunday or Monday will work.
Honestly, if I dig a 2 ft by 2ft hole my problem is usually planting the rose too deep. The risk is that it will die back to the ground in winter. I just moved 39 roses and I just watered them every day for two weeks. They stopped growing for about a week, but now they seem fine. If it were me I'd just replant it deeper now rather than risk it. I don't think the shock would be that bad.