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paola_b(CA z10b/Sunset 23)

Thank you, but there are no leaves anyhow. I just got those two roses packed in plastic and bareroot. The mildew is on canes, bud union and even on roots. I cut whatever I could and placed them in water to soak. It would be good to kill the virus somehow.
Please help!

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 7:43PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Soak them in a diluted bleach solution for a bit and then pot them up and isolate them from your other roses until it clears up. However, the fungus that causes mildew is already present in your garden and only needs the right weather conditions to grow and show up on your roses. You really can't prevent it from showing up if the conditions are right for it.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 7:49PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

That's the sort of thing that could be rose midge damage, but they are usually not severe in the early season--only a few survive the winter.

Please add your state and climate zone to your signature. Rose midge has a limited range. Also eastern zone 7 and thereabouts had a severe late frost in mid-April that would cause that type of damage. I had to do a lot of re-pruning.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 10:45AM
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barefootgirl(z5b NE Ohio)

Rose midge is already doing damage in my zone 5 garden. Guess the winter didn't kill the little bastards as I'd hoped. And yes, this does look like rose midge.

This post was edited by barefootgirl on Thu, May 22, 14 at 15:23

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 3:21PM
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roseseek(9)

duplicated post edited out

This post was edited by roseseek on Wed, May 21, 14 at 22:32

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 10:31PM
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Rosecandy VA, zone 7

Thank you everyone! I won't worry about her then, as she does seem to be one of my healthiest roses. it's such a relief that I don't have to shovel her and lose a month's worth of root development.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 2:34PM
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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

I used to just keep putting down new mulch over the old--but after years it wasn't completely rotting into the ground & it was nasty, so I raked it all off & started anew. Now, like I said, I use the mulch in the rose collars when I winterize.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 7:14PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

You don't need to change your zone because of an atypical winter.

Another rose you might look at is 'Les Sjulin'. It is definitely high centered, but doesn't hold form as long as most HTs.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 11:29AM
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kans

Thanks everybody,
Thanks vasue for your details on my roses!
I live in Melbourne,Australia.
The space is 15.5 m in length, 1 m width.
I am planing on 15 roses. I read i have to plant them 1m apart????

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 7:35AM
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kans

And Btw that's Renmark rose - salmon pink.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 8:13AM
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nicholas_delo

I know this does not answer your specific question about Miracle Grow, but I use Rose Tone too with great results.

The thing I like about it most is that it does not harm the beneficial organisms in the soil in the way that products like Miracle Grow can. I find RoseTone (along with an annual top-dressing of leaf compost) promotes better soil biological life and this keeps my roses happier and healthier.

To me soil health is just as important in my book as providing food for the roses for them to grow vigorously and stay healthy. The soil is their home after all.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 1:59PM
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mikeber(6a)

I am not expert, but the NPK ratio seems right for roses. But I think (and may be wrong) that there is more to enriching soil than these 3 components.
I mostly use Mills Magic Mix, sometimes Rose Tone. These organic, slow releasing fertilizers work well with my bushes. They are not as strong as miracle grow (low numbers) and don't work in seconds, but for me that's fine.
Unless you perform a systematic experiment, its hard to determine what works best for your roses, in your conditions. There are so many variables, from pH of the soil, to weather, humidity, sunlight, other plants in close proximity, bugs, etc, etc...

This post was edited by mikeber on Thu, May 22, 14 at 2:02

    Bookmark     May 22, 2014 at 1:52AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Thanks, sounds like a good and useful study for those who garden in dry areas with salty irrigation water. I wonder if traditional polyanthas as a group are more susceptible?

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 4:58PM
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phlowerpower(5)

Wonder if this is applicable to roses exposed to road salt during winter in areas with snow.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 1:19PM
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TwinHadleys

I LOVE Rodan and Fields! I just used soap before and had no idea what I was doing to my skin and pores. My large pores and random acne made me so self conscious. Now I don't even use foundation. I have NEVER had better skin!

    Bookmark     February 23, 2013 at 10:10PM
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LionM

I have used pure chimp products to have no skin problems any more. They are 100% natural and cost not much.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 4:41AM
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patrickd_nc(z6b NC)

While a number of this type have stayed 3 feet tall or less for me (own root), even in the ground, Pres HH has not been one of them. I think of it as one of the old HTs that is able to show some vigor on its own roots, even if it was not originally intended to be grown that way. My PHH is still not very tall at all, but its canes are more robust than some others that seem destined to remain somewhat spindly. Mine was from Vintage, and I potted it up to a 2-gallon pot and then put it in the ground about 8 weeks later (I think). Maybe try putting it in the ground?

I do pamper the old HTs, meaning especially in the water and compost department. The one that I have had success with under some neglect is Lundy's Lane Yellow, which grew over 6' tall, lost some leaves to blackspot but never went completely bare and always rebounded. I would think even LLY would need a little pampering until it's established though.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 11:03PM
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bluegirl_gw

I love their colors but don't have much experience with them yet.

My Pres. HH from Vintage seems quite vigorous so far. It came last fall as a good sized band & is in a 2 gallon pot with rich soil in full sun. I've let it throw a few blooms & they are beautiful.

Got Condessa de Sastago from Burling last fall, also. A good well rooted band that I started in a gallon pot but grew so quickly I had to re-pot to a 2 gallon very soon. It has also thrown quite a few flowers--very pretty.

Don't know how wonderful they'll look once full summer heat hits, as I recall Kim's comments that they are "30 minute blooms" that blow quickly in heat. So I think I'll move them to a part sun area soon, in maybe 7-10 gallon pots. But the blooms in the cool weather of this unusually cool spring were very lovely & lasted pretty well.

Is Talisman a pernetinia? Certainly is colored like them. I have a sentimental love of it, but it has been real puny as an own root plant. Got it as a very small plant from Greenmantle--Marissa was most reluctant to even send it at that size & didn't even charge me for it. It is building up very slowly. But I have rooted cuttings from it, & budded it onto a Ragged Robin. That bud immediately made a shoot taller than the entire own-root plant & wants to make lots of blooms. So very pretty! Can't wait to harvest more buds to graft on RR this summer.

I hope that within the next couple of years that I can share cuttings.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 1:23AM
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farmerduck

.Agreed that Crocus Rose is an outstanding rose, where I live. Mine was a band planted in the ground three years ago in unamended, poor soil. It was slow in gaining size, but has been tip hardy here in Zone 6b NJ and blackspot free. I donâÂÂt spray. The cane are very lax, with thorns relatively sparsely spaced, and are thus easy to peg. It is not a beauty queen, but, in my garden, it is one of the few well-behaved, easy going roses.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 3:31PM
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rathersmallbunny(9)

Ooh, Crocus Rose sounds gorgeous! Love your pictures :)

    Bookmark     May 21, 2014 at 12:10AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Yes, patience. You've already applied some chelated iron in the fertilizer. I wouldn't buy it because you'll probably overdo it. But it should be on most garden counters. Don't look for "iron" in the name--it will be named GREENsomething or somethingGREEN.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 5:03PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

We have a couple small roses here in the ground doing it... The ground here is still wet & cold so I'm going to wait...

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 9:51PM
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nastarana(5a)

I don't know about the tea, but Golden Celebration has hips the size of small crabapples. It also has long, flexible canes which would be easy to train across a trellis and sumptous, huge flowers all season.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 9:49PM
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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

Just for future any disease resistant, hardy hybrid teas you would recommend? Thanks!
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    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 6:12PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Things slow here too! I need some patience myself...lol
Everyday I go out and it seems the growth looks the same every day..lol
Weather has been colder here too... Suppose to start warming up here soon...

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 9:44PM
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vasue VA (7A Charlottesville)(7A Charlottesville)

Now you've got me considering Coral Dawn again for this garden. Searched GW & found the linked thread. The member familiar with this rose, zjw, doesn't seem to have email enabled, but perhaps you could flag them down on the Antique Roses Forum. And wow! 5,000 roses on order from Vintage in 2012.

Here is a link that might be useful: Anyone grow climbing Coral Dawn...?

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 10:39AM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

I haven't yet grown Coral Dawn but I'll go for bonus point on Mme. Carolyn Testout. She's a moderate monster in my zone and like more so in yours, so plan accordingly. She is on one side of a maybe 8-9' arch here in zone 5, and most years she'll stretch fully across it to the other side. Even this year after being cut to the ground a few weeks ago, she's already 2 feet tall and climbing. The thing to watch is that she has very stiff canes quite quickly in her growth, so be sure to shape the canes horizontally as soon as possible before they harden up. She can put out monster thick canes when mature and they're a real bugger to try to bend at that point.

Hardiness isn't an issue for you, but in zone 5 she's a consistent trooper and one of the few that will reliably cover an arch in that color range.

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 3:23PM
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thonotorose

I believe the extraction method for "rosewater" is glycerine. Rose otto, the essential oil, is made by pressing huge amounts of petals and stamens with things like olive presses.

You can also extract essential oily compounds from plants by soaking in alcohol, drinkable or not, and vinegar. I think this also works for non-oily parts, too.

A good book on making plant botanical salves and such should give you more detailed information.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 10:18AM
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