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I find the Gold Hill Luther Burbank garden more interesting than the downtown home and garden.
I forgot about Quarry Hill. Those places could be a nice day trip a long with a couple of wineries.
One thing I forgot to mention is the Berkeley Botanic garden. It's a beautiful place and there are roses too.
Kim, since it is now possible to determine if these are the same strain of PNRSV or not, I would expect that that determination would be the next step.
If they are the same, then the determination that you mentioned should be done (of course it also could be possible that infection could go in both directions).
The exact determination of infection route may be more than a scientific curiosity as was discussed in an earlier thread (the USDA's published concern that virused ornamentals could pass viruses to nearby food crops).
The common bind weed here is plain, light pink. It gets knocked down with Round Up but comes back up all over. It's a common component in commercial bird food. The client who grows the large Annie Laurie McDowell HAD a bird feeder in her side garden over a decade ago. That's where the bind weed started. I dig it out deeply. I've Round Up'ed it repeatedly. I don't let it grow more than a few inches so I can dowse it with the herbicide and the blamed stuff still comes back. Too bad the PNRSV isn't fatal to it! Kim
You don't want to use Bayer 3 in 1 anyway. Because of the mixture none of the three things it's supposed to do are particularly effective. You don't want to use a fungicide and a fertilizer when all you want is an insecticide. Find an insecticide that lists rose midge as one of the insects it's effective on and go with that.
Then you've definitely chosen the right plants to begin learning with! You're definitely NOT an imposter! Just because you may not have been exposed to gardening, or had the time/desire to garden earlier doesn't mean you can't or aren't going to become an intuitive success now. Imposters are those who permit others to do the work for them, producing beautiful results, then accept the credit for the efforts. You've already proven you aren't one of those! Kim
Thanks for your kind reassurances. I guess what I meant when I said I sometimes feel like an imposter is that I don't really have gardening "credentials"- whatever those may be. And so whatever success I've had has just been down to luck.
I've always wanted to grow plants, but somehow picked up the notion that it's an intimidatingly difficult thing to do, and you need to have lots of experience and chemicals to do a decent job of it.
I'm trying to rid myself of that mindset, because it conflicts with my intuition (increasingly a conviction) that gardening is nothing more than helping plants get access to their basic needs, and then paying attention to any signals they send out that they need more or less of whatever I'm providing. (Plus weeding, improving the dirt and squishing bugs.)
Having said that, though, I am pretty lucky to have good dirt, a warm climate, and plenty of rain. And to have found a local gardening mentor who is providing me with plants and showing me how to do things like taking cuttings, etc.
And I'm also pretty lucky to have found these gardening forums where I can get good info from gardeners with a lot more experience than I have if I have questions or need advice.
Thanks again,
Virginia
Water every 2 days with a deep slow trickle. Cut any dead wood off . It is trying to get its roots used to its new home. It is a tough time of the year to plant a rose. The roses are going into a little bit summer dormancy. It will take 3 weeks to get its footing. Keep it watered. Any new growth after Aug 15 this year will be killed by the winter. Hopefully it will establish energy in the roots to grow next spring. First year they sleep ... 2nd they creep.... 3rd year they leap.
I don't have HGL. If you are in the City, we are experiencing the same weather this past couple of days. If this is a picture taken today, the blooms are paler than the JC in my garden now. Because of the cool weather and rain in the past few days, the new blooms on my JC are deep creamy yellow. Again, if your picture is taken within this past week and two, it appears to be a lighter yeIlow than JC. I cannot be sure by looking at your picture, but it could be than HGL is more high-centered than JC.
Look for a small green worm not longer than an inch in length coiled up on a stem or leaf, or chomping away on one of the leaves. One poster showed that just tossing them onto the ground does not really solve the problem as they do craw back to the plant. Best to just pinch them. Check the new growth as the female fly tends to lay her eggs onto the new growth.
After reading this thread I am relieved that I am not alone in my constant struggle (which I am losing) to choose from a seemingly endless pile of beautiful roses. I am only one year in and I already have a wishlist a mile long, as well as a growing list of roses I have already planted that will be getting moved to the back yard this fall to make room for more of my recently realized favorites. It seems like I have a new favorite every week! I may have also gotten a little overzealous & ordered a few things that may not have a planned home yet, so it looks like some large pots are in my immediate future. I still have not accepted the reality that I will eventually have to remove a healthy rose from my garden just because I don't like the way it looks, my inner hoarder says "surely there is somewhere it can go"... And my outer reasonable person says "uummmmm... I don't know about that" ... They'll sort it out eventually!
Jessica
I can't bring myself to shovel prune a healthy plant either Jessica, I usually just find another spot in the yard or give it away. I guess that's why I obscess over what roses to buy because one they are planted that's going to be their home lol. I just enjoy the whole process, researching new roses, making a list and adding to it, an everything in between. But my favorite part is seeing my roses grow and bloom, satisfaction guarenteed!
Kippy putting stakes down where potential new roses can go is a good idea! I am going to try that, it will help me visual where things can go and how it might look.
I agree with everything Seil said. My only other advice would be to find the most disease-resistant ones available. My situation is such that I couldn't spray--even if I wanted to, and I don't. I keep some that do get BS, particularly the "Conundrum" minis, because they flower so profusely regardless of the BS.
The past horrific winter we just had seemed to have greatly delayed any development of BS until just a few weeks ago. All my container roses bounced back like nothing had happened and leafed out beautifully,. They also all bloomed in the Spring at the same time, making the most wondrous display after such a hard, cold winter.
I no longer use wooden barrels because they rot out no matter what you do to them and have to be replaced. The containers I use for all my perennials are some sort of man-made material that won't crack with the constant freezing and thawing of winter.
I live in Knoxville, so I am very familiar with your sticky, humid conditions. I have two golden celebrations, one in the ground and one in a very large pot on my porch, and it only gets afternoon sun & ironically, only the one in the ground got a terrible case if BS this summer, it was the first one of my roses to get it & it was pretty bad. I removed all the affected leaves and sprinkled some cornmeal around the plant to provide a more alkaline soil surface to deter more BS growth (something I learned from strawberryhill in the organic rose growing forum- thank you!) and it has not come back! The one in the pot on the porch is definitely growing slower but has had zero BS. I think the one in the ground was set up for failure because I put tons of pine bark mulch around it this spring, more than most of my other roses because I read that GC is a bit of a water hog and I thought it might need some extra protection from water loss... Well I was almost right....I later read (again all thanks to SH) that pine bark encourages BS more than other mulches because it is very acidic & provides ideal growing grounds for BS.... Which I might have doubted that if I hadn't seen results from my GC experiment myself, pine bark is such a common mulch it seems like you would hear this warning more often. Maybe that is only in the case of people who naturally have more alkaline soil and the pine bark brings the ph down enough for blackspot to grow, either way I've heard BS is more prevalent in neutral or acidic conditions rather than alkaline. I also read from SH that red lava rock sprinkled through the garden bed can help deter blackspot growth while also providing the roses with essential trace minerals, and I feel like that has also helped control less aggressive BS outbreaks I've had here and there. I also ended up getting some coconut husk mulch to use this fall/winter that hopefully won't encourage such bad behavior in my garden... Everyone should at some point check out all the posts in the organic forum on ways to naturally deter and treat blackspot, there is so much to read and learn over there, it's amazing. Good luck!!!
Jessica
TKHooper196 -
Are they in pots or planted in the garden?
I would fertilize them, keep them well watered, and make sure they get some shade in the hottest parts of the day.
I have two very very young John Davis roses and I have them in one gallon pots, and I mulched the pots so they don't dry out too quickly. They seem to like the afternoon shade a bit.
Good luck! :o)
Climbing roses:
FIrst year sleeping
Second year creeping
Third year leaping!
Water, light, and some food (NOT Bayer 3 in 1). Then patience. If they grow any long canes, that is when they are starting to "leap". If you train the canes as horizontally on a support as you can, they will bloom more.
Jackie