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shopshops

I know I'm out if your growing climate here in North Texas. But I just had to comment on this rose . It's my favorite. She gets to 5x5 here and wafts a raspberry scent in the morning air.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 12:51PM
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lainey2(7a)

Thanks, michaelg and shopshops.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 1:06PM
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KarenPA_6b

This is the decription on Michigan Bulb under Product Details:

Botanical Name: Rosa x 'St. Patrick' (cv. WEKamanda) Pat.#9,591

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 8:23AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I'm glad to hear that you were pleased with your order, Kousa. Michigan Bulb hasn't always had the best reputation. They do have an interesting plant list though!

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 12:03PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I'll be interested to see how your experiment turns out. I don't really know anything about growing DA roses in the tropics, but based on my experiences in the summer heat of the Midwestern USA, I would think that all your rain and humidity (plus limited sunlight) means that you will have major blackspot problems and have to spray a good fungicide a lot to try to keep ahead of those problems. Most of the rose-growers I know are trying to find ways to cut back on or even eliminate their use of fungicides--which may not be good for you or your environment.

I hope you selected DA roses that are listed as "very" or "exceptionally" healthy. Even they will have BS problems, I'd guess, in a very wet environment, but they are still better than the DA roses that are disease magnets.

I hate to discourage you--and I hope you report back next year that I was completely wrong--but I know how much trouble BS is in my drier, sunshiny region, so I can't help but think those may be major problems for you.

Good luck, and let us know how your experiment progresses.

Kate

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 7:52AM
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OhnHome(11)

Hello Kate, don't worry. You're not discouraging me :) I have been hearing the same from many different people and also have been reading a lot. I'm just very curious how the DA's will react to this weather and hopefully they will grow into healthy large plants. So far I've tried to focus on good air circulation to prevent BS and I have used Bayer Advanced Control but I'm looking for an organic alternative.

I will post some pictures about my DA project after a couple of months. I noticed that there are hardly any postings about DA roses in the Tropics. I'm located at I'm at latitudes 1ð and 6ðN, and longitudes 54ð and 58ðW and only 2 to 5 degrees north of the equator which is very very tropical. Basically similar to Malaysia but less high elevations.

BTW I'd accidentally posted this thread in the General Rose Forum after I discovered the Antique Rose Forum for DA roses. I have posted the same thread in the Antique Forum. If anyone would like to share their experiences or have some great tips please go to http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg0122043413265.html?2

Thanks again Kate.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 8:52AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Looks a lot like 'Francois Rabelais'.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 8:01PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

Yep -- I would also recommend Francois Rabelais and also Amadeus (Kordes, 2003) -- which is similar to FR, but a larger plant that blooms in bigger sprays. Both would be available in the U.S. Both of them are healthy bloom machines.

Here is a link that might be useful: Francois Rabelais on HMF

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 1:19AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Nanadoll is right. Those heights listed were in cold winter zones where roses freeze each winter. For Calif. I would add 1-2 feet.

Another factor is how hard you prune. A friend takes her roses down to 8-10 inches!!! I don't. Eglantyne here is pruned yearly to about 2 ft. and when blooms are cut the stems are longer than needed, to shape the bush (a little off season prune). I've also read that rootstock affects growth. Of course water, soil & fertilizer.

I think the important thing about Austins for a new grower is to know the ones on that list are the Austins of a more manageable size on a small city lot. The 10 x 10ft. monsters are wonderful. You just have to have fewer of them unless you've got space. Or you have to be severe in pruning, which may lessen bloom. My 'Evelyn' & 'Abraham Darby' will rapidly grow a cane that is 8 ft. long. It's often referred to as "octopus" canes. So far 'Eglantyne' and Symphony have never done that. Nor 'Heritage' (which grows taller than those).

Keep looking for bush pictures and you will see the difference in the smaller Austins on that list and the truly big ones.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 11:28PM
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andreark

Thanks for your answer Iris. I have heard, and listened to, similar comments from both Austin and HT growers.

I have two in ground beds and a number of large pots. The in ground beds are 19 and 7 months old. Michael, said that I really shouldn't prune these roses until they are in their second year. So later this month will be the first time I do any pruning at all. I have taken extra when deadheading but that's about it. (My beautiful Pristine wants to be 7 or 8 feet tall.) I have also been told that HTs in Calif don't really need to have more than 1/3 taken off along with any dead canes. And I understand that DAs don't really need anything but the lightest trim.....Unless of course they are growing long tentacles.

My DAs are in large (24 gal) pots and are only 5 months old now. So they haven't had the time to grow very large yet.

This will be quite a learning experience. I love it already!

Thanks again for listening and responding.

Happy new year,

andrea

    Bookmark   January 9, 2014 at 12:08AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

I'm sorry I got rid of that one. But, mistakes happen. We do the best we can...

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 2:47PM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

I'm kicking myself over 'Bronze Masterpiece' and 'Eureka'.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 11:30PM
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DrPekeMom

I always worry that I am taking off too much, too, and they always seem to come back just fine. I think in order to get basals you need more real dormancy than you are likely to get here. I don't see splits until the roses are older here, and I used to get more breaks in my Iowa garden.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 7:43PM
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kittymoonbeam

I get most of my HT basal growth in fall before and during the fall flush

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 10:10PM
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zone6-nj

Just saw that message Diane. I always wondered, where do you get a majority of your Austin's from? I know your jude and cadfael are from DA, but how about PAoK, Eglantyne, golden celebration?

I do want Eglantyne grafted - got it own root from chamblees last spring and saw 2 blooms, then again it seems to want to take its time growing, still very small. So I'm not judging now.

Thanks for the replies all!

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 6:35PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

My first DA roses, at my current home, were from David Austin directly. I've purchased older Austins from Palatine and Pickering in Canada. But mostly I now buy my Austins locally from a very fine nursery. The roses are in five gallon DA pots with metal tags, etc. Gorgeous roses that the nursery will keep and care for you, if you prepay, of course, in a special greenhouse till you are ready to pick them up and plant them at home. They are huge and usually blooming. So, Jude, Cadfael, and Eglantyne came from DA directly, but Golden Cel and PAoK (and others) were purchased locally.
Watch for Bro Cadfael--he'll get going, I'm sure, and grow larger than LofS.
I'm sorry for your cold, but it will be over soon if not already. Way back in late Nov or so, we got an Arctic blast and had several days below zero. Nothing was ready for it, and Idaho, being a total nonentity to weatherpersons, never gets any publicity about these things, whether it's the third hottest location in summer or subzero in winter. Gripe, gripe, one of my favorite things to do. Still I've never lost a rose to cold or heat, and I don't protect anything. Diane

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 7:27PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Have you looked at Distant Drums??

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 8:39PM
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Kes Z 7a E Tn

I have it and I really like it.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2014 at 9:18AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I prune my standard the same way I prune all my roses. Dead wood first and then prune for shape. If it's too big cut it deeper than you want it to get to.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 5:39PM
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kittymoonbeam

Some of them make better trees than others. I like the smaller floribundas and the bushier HTs. Some of the newer HTs are really big plants on their own and want to make the huge shoots. The ones that are smaller and bushier are easier to keep looking rounded. Some pictures are photoshopped too so beware of perfect catalog images.

I like French Lace as a tree rose. Sexy Rexy was a great tree rose in Fantasyland at Disneyland. Sadly, they were removed.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 10:34PM
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seil zone 6b MI

OH, Jockewing, yes! All the weather has gotten hyped out of proportion since the Weather Channel started. It's the only way they can stay in business, lol. Soon they'll be naming every piddly rain cloud that rolls over head!

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 5:44PM
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kittymoonbeam

They name the fires in CA too

How are all of you doing in this crazy cold weather? We are having cool and cloudy alternating with warm dry winds. All the rose leaves have blown off leaving just the wind frazzled flowers on top like sad pom poms. I want to prune them just to quit looking at that sorry sight. Today was nice sweater weather and the weekend will be back to shorts again.

minus anything is too cold for me

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 10:11PM
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andreark

Thanks Seil,

I hope it works just half way well. The way we're going her in California, we'll have water rationing coming up. And I want to be sure that the babies get enough to drink....One way or the other they will. I really don't need to run the washer or take baths. They won't notice if I'm not as 'fragrant' as they are...

Thanks again,

andrea

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 5:42PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Lol, just wear a rose a deodorant!

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 7:49PM
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Maude80

Here is what I do. I use these cheap wooden skewers that i found in the supermarket and I poke several into the soil around the edge of the cup. I then put the whole thing into a small clear plastic bag, the kind that you find in the produce aisle at the supermarket that tear off from the large rolls. The purpose of the wooden sticks is to keep the bag from laying on the leaves.

A rubber band on top will keep it sealed and until you get roots I would not mist them because the sealed bag provides plenty of humdity:)

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 3:34PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Tenting with a plastic bag will help keep them moist in the house. Depending on what size cup you used you can also use a soda pop bottle cut to fit. You want to keep them evenly moist, not to wet or dry.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 5:34PM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

Hi mojavemaria.

Thank you both for the information. I am planting a row of five that will receive about 4.5-5.5 hours of sun daily, and then they will be in the shade for the rest of the day. If at maturity they reach 3-4 feet, or can be pruned and kept down to this size range I will be happy, well of course, I would have to see gorgeous purple roses too:)

    Bookmark   December 30, 2013 at 5:06PM
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kingcobbtx9b

I have both. The ET is older than the TZ by about a year. The ET blooms do not last as long in the sun, but in my experience, the ET puts on far more blooms.

Last May at one time I counted over 40 blooms on my ET.

My TZ which is planted about 3.5 feet away blooms well and last longer in similar sun, but so far has not bloomed nearly as much as my ET. This is on the Upper Texas Gulf Coast.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 1:37PM
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zaphod42

Even with alerts about my Wish List, I think the new format will have me purchasing less from them in the long run. Not consciously, but... here's an example.

If I go the grocery store I generally have a list and may need five things - bread, milk, eggs, cheese, and beer (I am from Wisconsin). I'm not going to leave the grocery store with just those items though. I'll grab some cookies or chips or something that's on sale, etc.

I generally shop for roses the same way. I go with some specifics in mind, but end up with a few extras that were new or looked interesting. Not technically something on my Wish List, but were purchases of opportunity. So, Heirloom, even though they know they'll have a rose variety ready in spring when I want my order delivered because it is in production (but not ready and available when I place my order) loses out on my purchases of opportunity. They will then only get my purchases of targeted intent. Roses that are on my Wish List and varieties that are specific to them. I think Rogue Valley might be the master of purchases of opportunity - I may only specifically be shopping for three roses, but I'm sure as heck going to find a fourth to get the free rose.

Maybe it is because Heirloom's new owner comes from an electronics background. Depending on what kind of electronics, those are very targeted purchases. I've never bought electronics or computers or phones without knowing what I want, researching it, and going an getting it at the best price. It is never an emotional or gut decision. Even though I try to be orderly and researched in my rose purchases, I never quite succeed. Roses and plants are very emotional decisions that can be from the gut. It is bloody cold out and my gut tells me to spend money on flowers for spring. Where will I now wander in search of them?

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 12:00PM
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bethnorcal9

I too have been long awaiting the updates. It would be nice to see what is "new" in 2014 from them too. They still have the 2013 "new" section. There are a few roses I would love to get from them, but I certainly don't want to "piece meal" them out and have to pay the extra shipping each time they get something I would want. Right now they have FORGOTTEN DREAMS, a rose I had that died, and I wouldn't mind replacing it. But like Zaphod says, I'd probably order more than just the one or two I was specifically looking for if they had a list of everything. I wouldn't mind waiting a few months to get them too, but having to keep emailing or calling to add something isn't exactly conducive to a pleasant shopping experience. I guess I'll just wait and see what comes up and "maybe" get them all at once, unless they sell out of something I really wanted before the others came up. Hmm... I dunno... maybe I'll just go look somewhere else...

    Bookmark   January 7, 2014 at 12:18PM
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