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Great photos, Ken, thanks! You have some sawfly larva damage (the holes in the leaves) but from the look of the crunchy brown tips this looks like heat stress. I really don't see any black spot there. Does the one closer to the fence get more shade? That may be keeping it cooler and moister in high heat and make all the difference.
I agree with the others, more water and no fertilizer so it can recover. Take out and dead wood as close to the bottom as possible and clear out the grass and weeds so it doesn't have to compete with those. If it's going to be very hot find some way to rig shade for it for the hottest part of the day. A sheet on stakes might work. Anything that will protect it from sunburning. You have a lot of good healthy growth there so it should recover.
Thank you all for the great information and taking the time out of your day to help me. I'll clear that out below and follow your recommendation for water. It's strange because both of those rose bushes looked the same at first bloom. Huge blooms and a lot if them. I just didn't want to lose the other if at all possible they were both so beautiful. The one closer to the fence doesn't get more shade they're pretty much the same as far as sun goes.
I was just baffled with the difference in each one when they started out the same this year.
I've lived with it on the two red rose bushes (maybe Lincoln?) that are about 15 years or older because they give such luscious, gorgeous, florist style red roses. Usually, I get tons of red roses despite this problem. That's why I'm not ready to dig them out if it is indeed rust or whatever it is. I think the Wisconsin winter was harder on all my bushes, although they all rallied back.
You're welcome, Andrea. Email Burling. I'm pretty sure she offers it or can find it for you. International Herald Tribune is another violet rose that flowers its ever-loving head off. It isn't as well scented as Sweet Chariot, but it's every bit as violet and a wonderful rose. Mr. Moore found early on that growing Sweet Chariot in smaller pots caused it to weep. He had a long, double row of heavily scented, hanging baskets of it lining the main walk at the nursery and he said that's when the rose told him its name. "Swing low, Sweet Chariot...". Planted in the open ground where the roots aren't restricted, it's much more upright and bushy. Kim
Any idea where I could buy flower carpet roses. Three years ago I got 4 of them at Walmart. I lost the amber and pink due to RRV. I loved the amber, was a prolific bloomer. I want to get an Amber and pink splash flower carpet roses. Could not find in any garden centers here around Cleveland. Could some one let me know where to get them.
Thanks, Madri
I think the Oso-easy roses look intriguing. The other day at a nursery I was tempted to buy 'Honey Bun', which I saw displayed with white lantanas (I think) and other low white annuals (in pots), and it was really beautiful. It's a pastel cream with flushes of apricot.
I think birds might trample plantings around their feeders, though. Or even eat the flowers. They eat the pansies in my front yard in early spring, to my great frustration and dismay. At first I thought it was slugs, till I caught them at it.
Here is a link that might be useful: 
Thank you both for your prompt responses. It probably isn't gall but just to make myself feel like I have done all I can to prevent a gall outbreak in my garden, I went ahead and took the offending rose back. When I was at the nursery yesterday I noticed they had 3 Young Lycidas left, & they let me swap it out for another of the remaining two. Since I won't have another day off for a bit and the nursery isn't that far away, I decided that the small chance of it being gall was scary enough to warrant the extra drive. I know myself and the constant worry I would have had over that little blemish would have driven me crazy. The YL specimen that I just returned home with is a little smaller than the first, but it will catch up to the other in time, totally worth not having to constantly second guess my decisions, I do that enough as it is!
I believe in the right circumstance the 3 and 1 helped. Maybe it kept the blooms not getting chewed by bugs and leaves from getting bs . It is not worth the risk. I hope all the rain washed most of the poison thru. anyway here is a picture with Earth song and Champlain behind it. Viking Queen grows up the 3 trellis.
Hey, Steve, I love your deer stories too!! Have to laugh...I hate, hate, hate poison oak. I'm sooo allergic to it that it's frightening. Happy that your deer got rid of it at your place!!! Have a good one! :-)
This post was edited by dove_song on Thu, Jul 31, 14 at 16:21
You know what? When we began to look for Old Roses -- things we couldn't buy at the local chain nursery -- there were, like, two sources in the United States.
We've gone through a period of having many, many good nurseries, and a veritable banquet of rare roses to choose from. Now, we have lost nursery after nursery, and I by golly cherish the ones we have left.
I know the RVR people, a little. Not enough to call them my best friends, but enough to use first names, y'knowwhatimean? Nice folks. Keeping this nursery going isn't EASY.
I order a rose once in a blue moon, because most of what I'm growing ain't in commerce. When I DO order, RVR is where I usually go. The plants they've sent me have always been good ones. I have certainly never seen one that was insect-infested.
The complaints here astonish me.
Certainly the post which started this thread appears to be suspect, as it is the one and only post ever from that person, and whoever it is has not further participated in this thread. Why would anyone do this?
Coincidentally, I was at RVR yesterday morning. We were visiting relatives in Ashland, OR. I wanted to get 'Perle D'or' for a neighbor who was taking care of our cats while we were gone. Turned out that RVR was only 10 minutes from where we were, so I called them and they had it. We showed up at 8AM to pick it up. Lovely place - a house and acreage on top of a hill, beautiful gardens. Three people helped us, including the owner. Lovely, healthy blooming band. All the way home it rode with us in the air conditioned car. When we stopped for any length of time I put it in the cooler. Got home safely, and my neighbor was ecstatic.
Jackie
If you pour liquid rose and flower killer on the ground around the roses, according to instructions, you won't get any significant chewing at all. Why wait? You can also buy Imidacloprid (active ingredient in Bayer product) and mix a solution yourself, instead of paying a lot of money for the pre-mixed stuff.
As stated they are sawfly larvea (Rose Slugs)
Kill em if you pick them off the bush because they can climb back up on the bush...
I did a experiment not long ago and I watched 3 different rose slugs climb back up on to the bush after being placed away from the bush...
I have never planted garlic but have used a product called Garlic Barrier which is sprayed on the leaves and is suppose to keep insects away.
First off it did not work here on our roses. My neighbor tried it on his tomato plants but it did not work for him either.
But that is here and whatever does not work here still MAY work for someone somewhere else... Who Knows?
Another thought is if it did work you would have no good insects either... The Garlic Barrier has a long list of insects it is suppose to repel I think earthworms is even listed...
Thank you Jim for mentioning the Garlic Barrier. It's interesting to learn that the garlic might repel beneficial insects. We wouldn't want that, especially earthworms or lady bugs to name a few.