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I agree that what you have is the same rose you rooted and planted. To say that a rose is "rootstock" only makes sense if it is coming up from the roots of a grafted rose.
Otherwise, it is just a plant of whatever rose it is. Whether or not that rose has been used for rootstock at some time is irrelevant. I presume you rooted the climbing rose because you liked it. If it has 7 leaflets, that does NOT mean that it is "rootstock", it just means that it is a rose which has 7 leaflets, most of which are old roses.
Has it bloomed since you planted it? When you rooted it, did the cutting you rooted have a bloom on it that you liked? If you rooted a cutting that did not have a bloom on it, it is theoretically possible that you rooted a rose that was not the rose you wanted. If it did have a bloom on it that you liked, that is the rose you got.
Let it bloom, and any possible confusion will be resolved.
Whatever it is, it is growing on its own roots now, so what you see is what it is. It will bloom the same as it has ever bloomed since you planted it. Please post a picture on here, and someone will probably be able to identify it for you.
Here is a picture of a rose that WAS originally rootstock on a modern rose. I had dug up the modern rose, because I didn't like it. Up came this one, to my delight. It has 7 leaflets. It is one of my most favorite roses - gorgeous, very fragrant, and a climber.
Jackie
Interesting, Jacqueline. Do you think your pink rose is De La Grifferaie? It is used as rootstock.
Here is a link that might be useful: De La Grifferaie
I get mine on Amazon and have had uniformly good experiences with them. They usually come with directions on how to release them, which is really simple. They're super fun to watch, and if you're lucky they'll lay eggs and you get another round of them later.
Funny note - this year's batch was super, super horny. There will be a LOT of babies this year. :) I have been cracking jokes about it for days.
I totally agree with everyone about the ladybugs. Last year, all of my poor roses were covered with aphids and I did not want to spray insecticide. So, I purchased 5,000 ladybugs from ebay and they went to war for me.
Now, one year later, I'm not seeing any aphids so I'm hoping the ladybugs are still around, even though I don't see them either.
And yes, I've seen quite a few ladybugs doing the deed right out in public.... they have no discretion..
I live in NJ, like you, but along the coast. Fragrant Cloud is one rose I wouldn't be without. The flowers are just gorgeous, and the bush is strong and grows well. Except it does get blackspot here, so I have to spray regularly. If it does defoliate badly due to my lack of diligence it comes back fairly well in the fall. Perfume Delight, though pretty, is not a "must have" for me. My other "must have" that I have to baby through blackspot is Just Joey. I'll do what I can to keep it going in my garden.
Mine is pretty white here. Set next to ivory 'French Lace' there is a considerable difference. The one that is really icy snow white is Aimee Vibert, but it is only a little whiter than Iceberg. It seems like 'Madame Hardy' is another really icy white, but it blooms so rarely here I haven't seen it recently and can't remember for sure. 'Snowbird' is creamy ivory as is 'Kaiserin Auguste Viktoria'. 'Fabulous' is pretty white. 'Fair Bianca' is very white but it's such a problem-plagued cultivar...'Glamis Castle' is very white also, whiter than Iceberg. 'Bolero' will often have a touch of pink.
Last month during the spring flush I gathered one of every single white or ivory rose in the garden and arrayed them all and took a photo of the range of whites. Then I did some gardening and forgot all about everything else and the flowers dried up. The next day when I went to look at the photos I realized the stupid memory card wasn't in the camera when I took the pictures. Boy was I mad. Next flush...maybe I'll get a photo.
I deeply sympathise with you. Had the same problem last fall when the drought started, and I found the yellow sticky traps could catch a lot of them, not all but a lot, you could give that a try. If you find out a better way to combat these little things please post it here.
Thank you everyone. Pat, your JFK looks amazing! I won't give up on mine yet. I'm sure we'll have plenty of hot weather, so I'll see what it does. Like I said this has been a very unusual spring. We've had several days of very cool weather after having about five days in the 90's. Lesley, you are so sweet. I love your rose gardens because you obviously have a knack for making it all come together and looking so beautiful with your other plantings. My spring preparation consists mostly of pruning and using Mills Rose Magic just about the time they begin to break dormancy. I do this because it's easy. I lightly prune most of my roses, this year the only roses that were pruned hard were the ones that had a lot of die-back, surprisingly I didn't have much problem with that. I have always felt like I have had a lot of luck when it comes to roses, I don't think I do anything that special, just the minimum of what anyone would do in caring for a plant. People tell me all the time they can't grow roses or they think it would be too difficult, so that's why they don't. Believe me, I've made my share of mistakes through the years and it seems like every year I learn a lesson of what I should have done, or not done!
This post was edited by Sara-Ann on Fri, May 16, 14 at 16:04
Seil, myHonor is grafted and in its third year in my garden. I'm lucky it's been a wonderful bloomer for me, gorgeous blooms and fast repeats. It lives south of the house on a very sunny spot, and the atmosphere is mostly very dry but with occassional fogs.
It depends on what you mean by "kinda in the shade". Knock Outs will pretty much grow anywhere. The thing is they need the sun to bloom well. If they're getting at least 6 hours of sun a day they should be fine. Anything less than that and they may grow but not bloom.
If you want to move the several roses which are too close to your house, you can do that - just cut them back by at least half, if you haven't just done that. That is because when your transplant them, it will damage their roots, and while the roots recuperate, they will not be able to support much top growth. Try to dig up as much of the root ball as you can. After you have re-planted them, DO NOT feet them. Be sure and give them lots of water, because as I said their roots will be damaged. Then just let them alone - they may not look as if they are doing anything for a while. What they will really be doing is growing new roots under the ground where you cannot see them. When they start to put out new top growth you can feed them - follow the directions.
Re the one that looks dead - I would just cut off all the dead canes and water it, and since it has green growth at the bottom already you could feed it too. Then WAIT for the new growth to grow and bloom. Then you will find out if you have the same rose you had last year, or if that one is dead and what you have is the rootstock growing up.
Definitely put pictures on here of both kinds of roses when they bloom (blooms and full bush shots, and shots showing the leaves clearly), and someone will be able to identify them for you.
Good Luck!
Jackie
I agree with Jackie, now is a good time to do any transplanting. You probably had to cut them back pretty far already because of winter die back so they're already prepped for moving.
You could move that other one too now if you'd like but my thinking is that if it's survived well there up to now it can't be as bad a spot as you think. I would let it be and see how it blooms this season, and look for a new spot for it if you wish, and then move it next season.
Check out Paul Zimmerman's video on how to rejuvenate a rose. To me, it looks like it is merely suffering from neglect, and has too much old/ dead wood on it, that needs to be removed. I'd take out all the dead wood first. Then, that long cane on the right of the photo: I'd cut that back to the upright little green stem,and water and fertilize...but check out the PZ video, or post your question on his forum "Roses are Plants, Too" is the name of the site. There are lots of knowledgeable people that not only know how to "fix" that rose, but also-unlike myself-can probably post a copy of your photo of the rose, with little lines showing exactly what to cut off! In general though I agree with Charleney,Zac and Cecily, though personally I don't see why you can't prune now, as long as you water a lot...bart
Glad to hear you had some successes, Zack, and sorry about the losses. Yep, I know it doesn't seem like it but you do have to water them during the winter even though they are dormant. It seems to make a big difference in their survival. I'll be looking forward to seeing pics of that Irish Fireflame in bloom!