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Plumerias-lover, the patent status of a rose doesn't have anything to do with how good a garden plant it will be, so don't let that influence your choices.
Here's a definition if you scroll down the page to find it.
Here is a link that might be useful: patent vs. non-patent roses

Apols for hopeless posting-computer died and am using sons tablet
Bright as a button - a great rosé but very small flowered and totally healthy.It does not look very rose-like though - the combination of tiny blooms and many glossy leaves looks much more reminiscent of some other flowering shrub

I don't see your two issues as a reason for replacing roses. Most of the roses people want have thorns. Mildew isn't a big problem compared to others.
People replace roses because they are bored with them, they aren't performing well or are diseased. If you like what you have why go to all the work of replacing them.
Are you looking for roses that don't require any spraying? Some people use cloud cover to fight mildew.
I'm sure other posters will be abe to provide recommendations for thornless or mildew resistant roses.


My recommendation is, if you have never tested your soils, you should at least once take a soil sample & send it off to a professional lab for testing. Have them test for N-P-K & pH (usually the basic test) and add on the secondary nutrients Ca-Mg-S. I think the main thing you should pay attention to is pH since pH imbalance can cause certain nutrients to be unavailable in your soil even if they are present. A too high or low pH causes some nutrients to be in insoluble in water & therefore unavailable to your roses (see chart scan below). I'm not a fan of home test kits because the reagents (test chemicals) in them are easily degraded by many environmental conditions...aging, high & low temps, sunlight, humidity. I remember a "Fine Gardening" article & "The Victory Garden" TV show both gave them a thumbs down. I'm also adding a scan of an "chlorosis" chart that will help you look at your plants to see if they are showing signs of a nutrient deficiency.


This post was edited by wirosarian on Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 22:38

redwolfdoc, I'm going to add one other thing that makes me suspicious of the results from your home test kit. You said the results showed you were "low to adequate" in phosphorous (P). Most of the info I have come across says that northern soils (since you are in z5, I would consider you on the lower end of northern) have high to excessive levels of P. My own professional soil tests in z4b show high to excessive levels of P.

Ah, Ballin' Auguste! as he was known around here long ago. I didn't think that one was available any more. Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of buds that never opened, no matter what the weather. Had a heavenly scent and a s--tload of rust. May you have much better luck than I did.
'Francois Rabelais' is a winner, though. Most excellent disease resistance and never stingy, stays a reasonable size.


Thanks to FarmerD for answering the fragrance ? on CPM - and I totally agree. Very fruity, but a bit of musk also. I should say that I have a very hard time describing rose fragrances, but I do know what smells really, really nice and CPM has IT! At least, for me it does. I can't wait for spring here so I can see what she's going to do.
LynnT

Diane, that's what I've been trying to figure out and is my main concern. Some gardening sites say she is hardy in Zone 6, but I wanted to see if there was anybody here if they or someone they knew of growing a Lady Banks in zone 6.
Brad AKA Moonwolf

I've seen Lady Banks in zone 6 - zone 6 Arizona. Its not at all like an eastern zone 6. It gets cold at night, but then warms up a lot during the day. Snow doesn't melt so much as disappear.
If the real question is whether or not it will survive, of course I don't think it will. Maybe it could make it through a mild winter or two, but it blooms on old wood, and isn't going to be more than a curiosity. However, there are more than enough people who have to see that for themselves.



Wow it must be the different areas we all grow roses in. Some of my best roses are on the evil list. Tournament of Roses and Just Joey, which would not stop blooming. One of my favorites is not on the not so great list, Gertrude Jeckell. Her color and scent are wonderful; but too many thorns to deal with any more. I am not as patient as I become older!

OSH is a big box home and hardware store that used to be all over California, but which has been shrinking of late so it seems to have most of its stores in Northern California. My store in Laguna Hills closed a few years ago. I think there are only a couple of them left in SoCal. Competes (apparently not very well) with Home Depot and Lowes.

I live in the East Bay and there are three OSH stores that I shop at; two near where I live and one where I work. The closest location to me is in Moraga and was opened the most recently. I would consider it a poor location, but I guess they did their market research to locate there. independently. OSH stores are a lot smaller than Loews or
Loews supposedly bought them and say they will be run Home Depot. There customer service Is better.

Just a foot note, but my two Coiner $8 roses are in bloom today. Not my favorite and planted where I might need access in a hurry and would not hesitate to remove, but they are happy and busy blooming away.
Irony is the cutting that I have spent about a year babying to first root, then sprout and finally it bloomed......I think is the wrong rose. Mom wanted a cutting from her favorite from her friend, I think I have something in a blah tone of yellow. At best it might be Peace (which I already have)

Swung by both Home Despot and Lowe's today. The most interesting rose at either store was the "Raspberry Kiss" at the Lowe's store. It's a new -- just imported from Europe -- hulthemia that Certified Roses has seen fit to market under a new name in the U.S. I suspect it's going to be a terrific rose. The European name that some may recognize is "Eyes on Me," of the getting-better-known "Eyes" series from Chris Warner. Gots me one.
At Home Depot, the most unusual roses were "Hailstorm," "Super Gold" (an older Joe Winchel Hybrid Tea bred from Gold Medal) and a tree-grafted "Perfume Tiger." I'm a big fan of Perfume Tiger, but I didn't need another one, so the only rose that actually jumped in my cart today was the Raspberry Kiss. Otherwise, both stores just had the same old usuals.




Has it been in bright sun? DH once put ours out on the deck so it could 'get some sun' and the resulting sunburn was similar.
no direct sunlight
thanks anyway
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