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From your description, both of your roses were likely budded on the root stock Dr. Huey. Apparently the scions (the named roses which were budded to the stock) have died, leaving only the root stock. If that is the case, there is nothing left of the original "old roses". All you have now are two plants of the root stock. Do the "black wild roses" look like any of these photos at the link below? If they do, my diagnosis is very likely accurate. The only way to get your old roses back would be to identify what they were and buy new plants of them, presuming you can identify them and that someone is offering them. Good luck. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Dr. Huey
I think it is the angle the photo was taken that is what is throwing you off.
If you look at the fence, it is likely that the posts are set every 8 feet. Looking at the timbers to make the beds, those are also sold in 8 foot lengths.
Guessing that each of those "beds" (note there is a timber going toward the fence at what could be 8 feet) is actually only holding 2 or 3 bushes every 8 feet. So yes they might be tight if you like the look of bush space bush. But they might not be nearly as tight as the look from the angle of the photo.
FYI the local rose garden seems to use 2 feet spacing for most of the roses. At the beginning of the season they look far apart and at the end they are a big mass of plants
Burlington Roses..I havent ordered from them but heard good reviews on pricing, quality and shipping cost. Email them for catalog...
Longagoroses..good quality band, a bit pricey if you want DA, I paid $10.00 for shipping on 3 or 4 band.She sells on Ebay too.
Evening Star should do well with mulch in zone 5. I grew it by the sea where gale force winds in the winter hit it and it never even had any dieback. IMO it is one of the best white floribundas. No disease and good vigour. Don't think it had any fragrance.
Most, if not all, hybrid teas require spraying with fungicide in our humidity. Some need to be sprayed every 2 weeks, but some can be sprayed monthly or less. There are some that, no matter how much you spray, will still suffer from fungal issues in our high humidityâ¦Angel Face and Chrysler Imperial come to mind off hand. If you use the Bayer brand fungicide spray (I believe its official name is Bayer Advanced Disease Controlâ¦just the fungicide spray, not the one with insecticide included), it is a cure, as well as, a preventative. By using it, you can wait until a rose starts to show signs of blackspot to spray (infected leaves wonâÂÂt turn back green, but the fungus will be killed). If you use a spray that is a preventative only, more frequent spraying will be necessary to combat fungal problems. Spraying a chemical fungicide is not difficult, but it is a chemical you are spraying in the environment. If you want a chemical free garden, there are organic alternatives, but they usually are not as effective in treating and preventing blackspot in high humidity climates. Many gardeners use chemical fungicides, but many are adamantly against it. You will want to do some research and make your own decision on that.
As far as antique roses, you wonâÂÂt get the high centered exhibition form or as long a vase life from them. There are some charming antiques that would be great, disease resistant performers in your climate, though. Teas, noisettes, chinas and polyanthas would be good ones to look at, but again, the form, bloom size and vase life are different from moderns...and most of the teas and noisettes will get huge in your climate. You might want to consider some of the antique climbers for your fence and get hybrid teas as your shrubs or vice versa to see which you prefer long term. I was originally a hybrid tea fanatic, but have really come to appreciate the beauty and ease of the antiques lately.
I highly recommend Belinda's Dream. I too live in Louisiana and it performs like a champion without any spraying for us. You could also try Quietness and Earthsong. If you want an old antique that gets about 8' x 8' and loves our climate, then give Mrs. B. R. Cant a try. I've got lots of information on an old blog that I haven't updated in a couple of years at the below link.
Here is a link that might be useful: Davy's Garden Blog
Sounds like your doing all the right things, I bet the rose will bounce back though it might take sometime, My only suggestion is it might be helpful for the rose to received some partial shade until it's root system is once again established. (If the temps are high in your area). I keep most of my roses on a porch in whiskey barrels and they seem quite content As for what the rose is, more pics could be helpful do you have any of the open blooms, a close up of the cains, maybe a pick of the full plant? Are the leaves glossy or matte? What is the color of new growth? If I was guessing off the cuff...it might be Joseph's Coat....but that's a big maybe
Lilyfinch, I'm in Franklin and like shopping at the True Value Garden Center, too. If you don't know about it you need to go check out Riverbend Nursery in Thompson Station. (Thompson Station Rd and Lewisburg Pike) Most of what they do is wholesale, but the also have a big retail setup. They usually have a good selection of perennials and annuals at very good prices. They also have a handful of roses, but really excel at shrubs, trees etc.
I love supporting my local businesses and will make the trek down there instead of the local box stores whenever I can.
Subk3! How cool that you live so close. I live in spring hill and have been to riverbend many times ! I agree about supporting local business . Sometimes things in franklin can be a little overpriced because of the area. Riverbend is very fair! And friendly !!
Thank you all. I dug up the plant and put it in the pot and brought it to a filtered sun location. I was sorry to see some of the delicate roots break off, but I think the rose will be tough in that way. Against the extreme, radiated heat, not so tough. I too got this rose from Chamblees. It looked much better when it arrived than it does now. Good to hear that this rose is vigorous. Hopefully it will make a fine comeback. :)
I saw Twilight Zone yesterday at a Rose Show (best Grandiflora) and it was amazing.
I have Ebb Tide, and mine stays purple because I have it in part shade. In the hotter weather, if the rose gets a lot of sun, the color will fade. Especially in hotter zones in the South. If you have a spot that can get some afternoon shade, that would be ideal.
Most roses will slow down in 90 degree heat. Not much you can do about that. Just make sure they are watered well.
I found the article, It was not blueberry, it was blackberry.
"The case of Blackberry chlorotic ringspot virus (BCRV) is of particular interest because the virus has been found to be an integral part of blackberry yellow vein disease and is widespread in rose plants affected by rose rosette disease."
http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-08-13-0866-RE
Here is a link that might be useful: link for above
Ann, apparently it was an 'expert' that gave a seminar at the Greater Atlanta Rose Society. I was at their Rose Show yesterday and one of the members told me about it. I'm sure he either got it wrong or maybe this expert isn't really an expert.
Anyway, I am seeing SO MUCH multiflora this year. It's really scary.
In 2013, due to the 2012 drought, we had a good summer with few beetles.
I planted my first garden plant today, I found a Japanese beetle grub. I found two June bugs. I thought grubs would be minimal since neighbors in our neighborhood had experienced frozen water pipes which were buried 4-feet or more deep. I was optimistic that our brutal winter killed them, but no.
Have you ever looked at HelpMeFind? You enter a rose's name in the search field and a file-page comes up. One of the tabs is "Buy From" which shows nurseries carrying that particular rose. I got mine as a VID band from Vintage Gardens, but with that nursery closing, you'll have to look through some of the others. The other option is, since you already have a few, is to try rooting cuttings yourself. Keep in mind that if your others are grafted, own-root 'Mirandy' might not show the same degree of vigor. I know it from only my own-root plant, and while I wouldn't call it "wimpy" I am guessing that most mid-20th Century Hybrid Teas would grow more vigorously on rootstock. See the link below for nurseries listing 'Mirandy'.
:-)
~Christopher
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mirandy' rose nurseries at HelpMeFind
Earlier in spring, I found Mirandy at Lowe's. Havent planted it yet, but it is a very healthy plant and though they may be sold out of them, perhaps might still have a few left. It is blooming for the 2nd time - they are lovely and are fragrant.
Judith