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sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)

I am not in So FL (yet lol) I am in NE FL but I do have some of the roses that you all have listed so maybe they will do okay for me here. I also got a ton of DA roses to try here and also started a little collection of Teas. What the heck you only live once why not just throw everything up in the air and see what sticks lol. I guess that is how one would find out what will work. I decided I will just get what I like and see how they work out. Its not the end of the world if they don't. I am used to culling out brugmansia seedlings and what not so roses are no problem.

I am not new to roses just new to growing them in the ground here in FL. Before, I was in a hot dry climate so now its a warm humid one but I have lived and gardened in many places from zn 3 to zn 10.

The soil is different here as well. I have had Blue Girl and Double Delight in pots here going on 6 yrs now. They never get black spot and not too many other pests besides the occasional aphids. I think that all the other bugs are much more attracted to the hundreds of brugmansia and brug seedlings that I have (all bugs seem to adore those) and leave the roses and other plants alone lol.

I found this list of roses for South FL maybe it will be helpful to someone.

http://miami-dade.ifas.ufl.edu/old/programs/urbanhort/publications/old-roses-for-south-florida.htm

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 1:00PM
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SoFL Rose z10

Ken, you could not be more right about veteran's honor. The blooms are always facing down. I usually always cut them to bring them inside for that very reason, not to mention its an amazing cut flower holding its form for well over a week. But yes, so true about the blooms facing down. A pitty, but still worth growing in my opinion.
I'm very intrigued about Louise Estes and Mavrik and now that you tell me Louise Estes is fragrant, I must have it!
I do grow PJP and Pascally. PJP has been a great bloomer although she has had a little black spot, but she's not fully established yet and I'm already noticing an improvement from last year. Pascally is new for me and I got a somewhat crappy body bag from Costco. She's bloomed, but not sure what the future holds. I grow her in a pot because she's on Dr Huey.
My Touch of Class has been pretty good too, but she is also on Dr. Huey. I always wonder what she'd be like on fortuniana. I saw her once at home depot on fort and I didnt grab her and I think i should have now looking back.
I would add Crystalline to my list, but I have a few whites already and such limited space. I've had good luck with Sugar Moon too and her fragrance is to die for.
My poor tuscan sun has been in recovery for almost a year. She's had such a hard time bouncing back from when i was pregnant and neglected all my roses. I lost about 13 roses that year due to just pure neglect but I was just too tired and sick at the time with my pregnancy. Weeded out the weaklings though, that's for sure. LOL

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 1:11PM
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roseberri, z6(6)

for those of you looking for a climbing rose for a northern garden here are some voices of experience!

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 8:06AM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Since this post is getting older you may not see this. Are you still looking for a climbing rose? I happened to come across the Arborose collection. I never actually saw what your zone is. Northland Rosarium carries the collection. They are zone5 roses, all but one have some fragrance and they repeat. Whats different about them is the softer bendable cane that you could wrap around the post. They are shorter but would still give color and height for the area. With time they will produce more canes each year for a fuller look. Just an idea in case your still looking.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 7:17AM
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rosecanadian

Yes, :)

But I think this thread was revisited from an earlier Discussion thread. Discussion threads can be about anything.

Carol

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 7:56PM
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kittymoonbeam

There used to be a discussion/ chat forum for us rose folks on the old site but now all those got mixed in with the rose talk. People asked about patterns and I like the ones by truly Victorian. All the sizes are included so you can get a custom fit. However they are drawn from real antique clothes so it's not a modern fit and most of them are designed to go over a corset but you don't need to wear it uncomfortably tight, just snug. If you had heavy work to do then you wore a corded petticoat not a hoop to hold your skirts out. Women didn't have legs in those days and they didn't discuss them :) they were just supposed to glide along gracefully like swans as they walked.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 10:22PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

No, our Ace Hardware is strictly a hardware store. The Growing Place carries First Edition plants. Don't know what roses yet. Chalet Nursery in Chicago is a good place to call when looking for something. Thought about calling them both in early April. After all CN does say on their web page if you don't see it just ask we can likely get it for you. Lowe's and Menards also carry First Edition roses.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 5:10PM
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Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland

There are several up my way that say they carry First Editions, will have to go look:). Sorry Patty I was thinking you were further south - some of the Ace in Bloomington/ Spring field region carry Austins, thought they might have this too!

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 6:30PM
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steve_gw

Way too early to take off the collars, simply cut back the bushes to the top of the collars and wail till late April, I'm in Kenosha, we get frosts into May, so no need to hurry. I usually prune the last week of April. When you clear away the collars and prune, then spray the bare canes with Mancozeb, when your foliage comes out, start a weekly spray program, and you won't have black spot....

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 4:33PM
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blocke19

I use flakes of old straw mainly, I mound up as much soil as I can over the base then lean the straw against the rose in somewhat of a circle. It allows drainage but protects from cold and drying winds. I haven't lost a rose in the 10yrs I've been doing this. It also makes it easy in the spring if I want to pull it back for a bit or need to put it back up.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 4:46PM
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gibsongirl74_gw(6)

Thank you everyone for all your advice! I can tell I'm going to spend a lot of time on this forum. I am an iris lover but I need something else to to tend to after they bloom and I have roses already. I have a feeling that rose growing is a lot like iris growing...you can always squeeze in one more plant.
I purchased two potted climbing roses at Ocean state job lots. It is very early for them to be out but they were 5 dollars and I have spring fever so I couldn't resist. I think I will have to wait on everything. It looked like spring was coming but I still have snow.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 12:58PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I'm glad you like it here, gibsongirl! We love having you! Have to laugh at your observation and you are entirely correct. There's always room for one more!

If you have an unheated garage store those two climbers in there until it's warm enough to plant. The rule of thumbs is when the forsythias bloom. That usually means the soil has warmed up enough for there to be active growth and it should be safe to plant.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 3:33PM
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seil zone 6b MI

IMHO the guy at the nursery is wrong. That rose needs a bigger pot. If done properly, with no disturbance to the existing root ball, it shouldn't even wilt when transplanted. Prep your new pot with soil in the bottom high enough so that the existing root ball will be at the same level, slip the root ball out of the old pot and into the new one and then fill around it with more soil and water. It should be no problem for the rose.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 9:14AM
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jacqueline9CA

What seil said - those nursery pots are WAY too small.

Jackie

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 10:10AM
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My Name

Thanks for the encouragement and reassurance. Its easy to get caught up in the process when I am hoping that they'll get to the business of growing so I know how many I am keeping and how many I am sharing, and of which roses heh.

Are you talking about any part of the cutting getting brown as usually not surviving? (Like the top tips of some are definitely on the way out though most of the length is still green on quite a few of them).

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 8:58AM
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seil zone 6b MI

If it's just the tip leave it but keep an eye on it because often times that will begin to travel down the cane. Sometimes if the cane had a bloom at the tip a short section will die back where that bloom was cut off but the rest of the cane will be OK. If there is a brown stripe down one side of the cane it's over. It will eventually all turn black and dry up. If it's at the bottom where the soil line is it's already toast. It's probably rotted below the soil level.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 9:28AM
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poppy_pa_6b

I saw some at Lowes, outside in freezing weather. I'm assuming they're keeping them outside, vs the unheated entryway, as they're on a stationary display. Do you think they're ok? The bud eyes are red and pushing out some growth. The canes were huge and I'm wondering how they get a big enough root system in a 3 inch cylinder tube. I haven't bought any before, but would like to try one or two.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 9:01AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I thought I had never done the submerged in the bag thing but now that I think of it I actually have. They come out around here way too early to plant and I've often brought some home and opened the top, poked holes in the bag and stuck them in a bucket of water in the basement to wait for planting weather. I didn't soak the canes but definitely the packaging medium.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 9:20AM
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cactusjoe1

Evelyn is one of my favorite, but the most fragrant rose in my garden is Mme. Issac Pereire. In my garden, it is a prolific spring bloomer, with a late repeat. It can get unruly and here in the wet and damp Pacific North West, black spot sets in late summer and through the fall. I just don't bother fighting it, as this rose is tough enough to spring back every year.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 9:56PM
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Blueisland BC PNW-Z7-8(8a)

I will have another look at Tamora. Does she have a strong sweet scent? I was thinking of having two apricots with strong scent next to the house where i can smell them from inside on warm summer days. I think Lady Emma for one and the second, not sure.

So far I have Cr Princess M, Don Juan, Warm Welcome and Royal Gold by the house and room between a couple of them for two medium sized apricots. I thought yellow because of DJ but apricot looks better with WW and CPM and nice with the red or yellow roses. I have 6 windows open on the computer with pictures of the different roses together figuring out colours that look good next to each other and apricot seems to work. No obsession with roses in this house, ha ha!! Any thoughts?

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 8:21AM
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sam 4b Adirondacks
I hope we can see it blooming. Let us know how it goes. keep us updated.
    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 7:20PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Sam, that shouldn't be a problem, if it looks half way decent that is. I get a little carried away posting pics.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 7:16AM
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alameda/zone 8

I had thought about asking about this rose on the Forum..........I grew mine from a band - it is 4-5 years old. Have it on a fence with other climbers, excellent sun, I water regularly. the few blooms I have gotten were not impressive and quite small. It grows really well - I may have to sock the fertilizer to it. It hasn't impressed me - but not to say it couldn't. It IS very healthy! Would enjoy hearing some other comments on this one.

Judith

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 11:47PM
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seil zone 6b MI

OK, so zone 5 is probably still quite cold and that's a good thing. Now is a very good time to make the move. In your yard as soon as you can dig your soil prepare the spot you want to put them in. Holes for planting should be at least 2 feet deep and wide. Don't add chemical fertilizer to the holes but any kind of organic materials are fine. You will need some kind of pots to put them in when you dig them out. Any kind of container or old pots you have that are big enough will work for long enough to move them. I have used ordinary wash buckets from the dollar store to keep plants in for moving. Since you will be cutting some of the roots, there really is no way to avoid that, and if the roses are quite tall you may want to prune the roses back by about half before the move. It will make them easier to handle and put less stress on the root system starting out. Dig up the roses trying to keep the root ball intact as much as possible and put them in your pots. Get them home as quick as possible and get them back in the ground. You don't want the roots to dry out. Place them in your holes and water them some. Then start back filling them and gently tamping the soil in to get out any air pockets. When done water them again. Keep them well watered but not soggy wet until you begin to see some new growth on them. Then you can go to a regular watering schedule and give them some half strength fertilizer.

Hope that helps and please ask if you have any other questions.

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Christen McClintock

THANK YOU!! You are all so helpful. As soon as I make the moves, I will post pictures for you all to see.. and hopefully throughout their life this summer, if all goes well. :)

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 7:31PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Another thing you can do with roses like these that want to climb or reach for the sun is to train the primary canes horizontally. You can either attach the canes to a surface behind them (like a trellis or pillar), or peg the canes to the ground in a fountain type shape. Paul Zimmerman has a nice video you can google about this. The reason they're blooming only on the end is that the rose puts its energies into the highest canes. When the main canes get horizontal, it will grow more laterals (side branches off the main canes, as Seil mentions), and those will flower a lot more along the length of the cane. You probably want to keep some primary canes unpruned with this method, if you want to encourage blooms this year, but you can always prune out underperforming canes or the oldest canes every year to increase blooms.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 12:36PM
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lori_elf z6b MD

I'd prune them now before they leaf out, cut them back so they will branch out and get bushier with the summer's growth. They will still flower this year on the old wood that remains, just lower down. Since they only flower at the top, you aren't really losing any flowers by pruning them now, it's just more compact. And it'll be more self-supporting when it blooms. Long and leggy is likely to fall over in full bloom, especially when wet, or need staking.

The other thing you can do if you leave some long canes is to peg them horizontally so you get blooms along the stem. That will increase your blooms this year and you can cut them back after blooming to encourage a more bushy shape.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 6:12PM
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cjrosaphile(z8 Pacific NW)

Yes, yes, yes! I live near Salem, Oregon and my Julia kicks butt on every other rose in my garden. Just sayin' --

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 5:10PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Ha! cjrosaphile. I love that expression, and I totally agree. I still have to prune my two Julias, and I dread it. There are so dang many canes on those roses it's just solid rose, and they really need some thinning. Diane

    Bookmark   March 17, 2015 at 5:50PM
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