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henryinct

I don't think Las Vegas is that much colder than Pasadena where I am and I planted my first roses here in December last year. The ground here never even gets that cold and they grow right from the start. I imagine your soil is as bad as mine is so I would work in as much organic material (compost) as you can and pile on mulch. And by all means fertilize with organics. I have two barrels of steer manure in water only because I haven't been able to find alfalfa. They love the steer manure. Also I would think that if there was ammonia you would smell it and if you do I wouldn't use it. I have never smelled it with any king of organic concoction I've used.

    Bookmark   December 11, 2013 at 8:52PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I'm a little disappointed that it won't develop into a fragrant rose, but where I planted it is at the back of a bed, against a fence, so that it is scentless won't be noticed. Most importantly, I wanted a thornless climber with pale flowers, so for that it works. I'm looking forward to watching mine grow, and will love how it looks with a purple clematis growing through it, as seen in one or two pics on its HelpMeFind page.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 1:39PM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

Mine has not at all been vigorous after years of growing. I wonder if it prefers So. Ca.

    Bookmark   December 11, 2013 at 5:14PM
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jacqueline9CA

Andrea - what NORMALLY happens to roses in mild Northern California winters is that they get rained on relentlessly. I live in the North SF Bay Area. In a normal winter (which this one IS NOT), I do not water at all from when it starts raining in late October/mid November until when it stops sometime between March and June.

This winter we have had exactly .80 inches of rain so far (they start measuring on July 1), instead of our "normal to date" which for this date is about 15 inches. So, we have been turning our irrigation system back on every time it is dry for about 14 days. Not right now however, because everything is frozen (also NOT normal), and my DH noticed that I "blew up" one of our timers by turning it on the other day.

We are hoping that things, or at least the temperatures, will get back to normal soon (not freezing every night), at which time we will start irrigating again unless it rains.

Your question is a good one, but this year is so weird that I am not surprised that you are getting different answers...

Jackie

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 9:34PM
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andreark

Oh thanks Jackie. That is exactly what I wanted.

I have sprinkler systems also, but since I only have about
30 roses, I water them by hand. And it's is cold out there to be playing with a hose.

Another place where I find conflicting info is the weather forecasts for California this winter. Some say we will get water some say another drought year.

So, as you suggest, I will water unless it is freezing.

Thanks again,

andrea

    Bookmark   December 11, 2013 at 11:51AM
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roseseek

Yes, hard scape, topography, buildings and plantings can make a world of difference. The frost the other night didn't affect my bougainvillea and hibiscus on the hill, but the neighbor in the "hole" below me has significant freeze damage to his established bougainvilleas visible from my back yard. Same "zone", almost the same gardening space, but the cold "pooled" for him where it simply flowed through here. Thankfully! Kim

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 5:44PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Hmmm, I am with Hoovb here - zone ratings are just one tool in a whole box. Microclimates in a particular garden can make a huge difference on a small scale whereas things such as latitude, daylight length, altitude, topology, geology (soils types), positioning aspects (facing north?, east?) and rainfall are all part of a way of describing your particular horticultural requirements. Observation and experimentation are, ultimately, the only reliable predictors.

    Bookmark   December 11, 2013 at 7:16AM
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curdle(9b, Australia)

I'm in Melbourne, so I cant give you any direct addresses, but... Peards is a Gardenworld, isn't it? There's one near me, and they have so many nice things!
They seem to get stock from all over; so If you were determined to get something specific, I would try and go to the source,.. you could try Corporate Roses (google em) based in S.A.; they seem to carry/be a supplier for a lot of Meilland roses, and I've seen their stock in garden centres etc in Victoria- you could try calling/emailing to see if they have sent anything to Sydney nurseries..
I've also seen a bit of Swane's stuff in my local Gardenworld- they have branches all over NSW, so you could try contacting them too.
Otherwise try contacting Peards and see who supplies them? They might be nice enough to tell you, seeing they don't deliver outside Victoria...

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 4:34AM
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Roselover1348(8)

i have my julias planted with ebb tide. I love the yellow and purple combo (and it seems many others do as well from the fantastic pictures) and the scent combo is terrific!

    Bookmark   November 2, 2013 at 12:06AM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Thanks for starting this thread! I've been working out the same thing! I love my JC but she needs neighbours. I was seriously considering Hot Cocoa, but thanks to Lainey (thanks Lainey) I think I'll scrap that and go with Cinco de Mayo or maybe Dragon's Blood.

Henryinct - I love that combo of JC with Wild West! Gorgeous!

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 6:21PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Seil - That photograph of Double Delight is absolutely gorgeous!

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 1:12PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Don't feel bad--I forgot all about Peace! Where do our minds wander at times?

Won't make any real difference in the voting since both Peace and Double Delight are the top winners already!

: )

Kate

P.S. Gorgeous pic, seil.

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 1:39PM
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susan4952(5)

Is the kordes a repeater? I want it. It is gorgeous!!

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 11:02PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I can't say much for mine, which came as a band in Spring 2013, but I picked 'Orfeo' based upon a few good reviews. And I say "a few" not because it got a lot of bad ones, but because not many people seem to grow it -- but those who do, love it. Mine hasn't bloomed yet (which isn't surprising), but it has grown very well. If the canes weren't wrapped around a tree trunk, I'd estimate they reached at least 6' before the rose went to sleep for Winter.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 1:32AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

I have all three. Moderate grower would be Perdita. LA is a largeish fountain, a little thin on foliage. Windermere is very tall and mostly vertical in growth, easily over 7' if not regularly cut back. Perdita is the rounded fully foliaged shrub of 4x4.

Fragrance? Windermere, hands down. Wonderful fragrance, citrus-y. Perdita has a little, LA almost none.

Bloom production? In this order, most first: Windermere, Perdita, and lagging far behind, LA, which is stingy.

Heat tolerance--probably Perdita first, then LA. Windermere has very ephemeral flowers with tissue paper thin, delicate petals.

Beauty of flower---Windermere, then Perdita, then LA.

And no, you don't need all three.

This post was edited by hoovb on Sun, Dec 8, 13 at 17:28

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 5:27PM
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Greg(z8, San Antonio)

Thank you, hoovb! That is just the type of response I was hoping for. Very helpful! From what you've said, I think I'm going to go with Perdita. I had originally planned on ordering that one, but the other two looked so inviting looking out from the DA catalogue that they got me thinking...... So, for size, heat tolerance and for coming in second in bloom production and beauty of bloom -- Perdita it is. Thanks again!

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 11:11PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Beautiful roses, everyone! Enjoyed seeing them all.

How about a 'Prospero' from this afternoon? Not a huge number in bloom right now, but because of the cool weather, they are pretty choice. Prospero is having his best year ever at age 14.

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 8:03PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Hoovb - What a beautiful rose!

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 10:00PM
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Krista_5NY

Young Lycidas has a sweet Old Rose scent. It's a nice fragrance, not a musky myrrh type.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2013 at 9:23AM
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paparoseman(z8 WA. PO.)

Depending on the temperature Lady Emma smells like FRESHLY cut Tangerines. Sweet and very citrusy.

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 3:27PM
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cecily(7 VA)

Buy a lopper. The canes are very thick and its difficult to prune him with pruning shears. Marvelous rose in the southeast.

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 12:22PM
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erasmus_gw

I bought mine as a body bag grafted plant from Home Depot. It is a vigorous small tree here with great rebloom even though it is bs prone. It's beautiful and fragrant!

    Bookmark   December 8, 2013 at 12:57PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Well, it's done. It was too late to hold the order and they arrived on Friday. On the bright side, Hortico is quite close by me, so the plants hadn't dried out at all.

There were two About Face plants and one Hot Cocoa. I've changed around my bed design plan since placing this order, and since I have other roses coming in the spring, I only had designated ground space for one of the AFs - so, an experiment:

The Hot Cocoa and one About Face, I put in the ground - buried deep and mounded high - then mulched and burlapped. The other About Face went into a large pot in the unheated (but large) shed for the winter. I'll remember to water it once a month or so.

Now I just have to wait and see if the ground or the shed works better. I'm hoping they all make it! :)

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 9:41PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Well, it's done. It was too late to hold the order and they arrived on Friday. On the bright side, Hortico is quite close by me, so the plants hadn't dried out at all.

There were two About Face plants and one Hot Cocoa. I've changed around my bed design plan since placing this order, and since I have other roses coming in the spring, I only had designated ground space for one of the AFs - so, an experiment:

The Hot Cocoa and one About Face, I put in the ground - buried deep and mounded high - then mulched and burlapped. The other About Face went into a large pot in the unheated (but large) shed for the winter. I'll remember to water it once a month or so.

Now I just have to wait and see if the ground or the shed works better. I'm hoping they all make it! :)

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 9:46PM
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subk3

I would think that coffee grounds would be considered compost not fertilizer. Most everything I've read has said that using compost is something you can do all year long.

In a colder climate than you, I put a couple inches and compost topped by a couple inches of mulch in late fall after several hard freezes to put my gardens to bed for the winter.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 4:05PM
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susan4952(5)

For some reason, this idea appeals to me. I have used coffee grounds all spring and summer but stopped due to the earthworms attracting moles that destroyed my lawn. Maybe a winter application would be better. I think coffee grounds are an excellent soil amendment ..if you can tolerate the side effect of mole tunnels. That probably would not be the case in winter.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 8:46PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Lovely! Always good to add one to the "when I buy 10 acres" list! And always good to know your thoughts Pat, since we're "neighbors".
Susan

    Bookmark   December 4, 2013 at 4:52PM
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john_ca(CA US9/SSZ14)

Hi Michaela,

We planted CS in our present home around 3 years ago. This is a spectacular rose in our garden and it produces enormous flowers in the fall,at least 6 inches across. I grew it when it first came out around 15 years ago in a different location. I know some criticized the fragrance of this rose, calling it "phenolic". The leaves are dark green and waxy and does not suffer from any foliar diseases that I can remember. The plant itself is vigorous and grows around 5 feet high and across. When I bring flowers in to the lab at work, most of the lab technicians think the blossoms are wonderful.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2013 at 2:25PM
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