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Wait. It hasn't been very warm (we're still at least 10 degrees below average) for very long yet and I think it's too soon to give up hope. The soil hasn't warmed up very much. I don't know how it's been in KY but we haven't had all that much sun either. Be patient.
Oh! I used to live there, I'm 5 miles north now.
The Jersey Shore RS helps with a no spray garden (no climbers) in Eatontown, it is on Rt. 35 just south of the old Fort Monmouth. Also, if she is up to it, our next meeting is 5/31 @ 1:00 at Kensington Assisted Living off of Shrewsbury Ave, there will be quite a few CRs there to answer questions.
What a fun idea! If you don't like the idea of minifloras, there's always Kentucky Derby, a reasonably hardy red HT that I think Rogue Valley sells. There's also Elvis and Miss Elvis that I haven't tried that are Edwards HTs, available from Roseland. You have a lot of music related options for hardy easy care roses from Buck - some that have thrived with no BS to speak of in my zone 4 pocket include Pearlie Mae (named for Minnie Pearl), Mountain Music, and Folksinger. Allamand Ho and Country Dancer would also be good options from Buck with music/Nashville connections.
Minis and minifloras are pretty easy to winter protect if you want to go that route - Blue Suede Shoes is one I noted, and there are probably other options from other Elvis songs. "Falling in Love" (with you) is one that comes to mind that is pretty hardy for me.
Have fun and let us know what you decide!
Cynthia
Thanks for the ideas. I might take my chances on Kentucky Derby, it is out of my zone, but will definitely get Zepharine Drouhin (get it a "Bourbon" rose). I am also looking at mountain music, duet, tootsie (the name of a bar in Nashville we went to) or Dolly's forever rose. In my search, I came up with some for past trips: Golden Buddha for the time I spent in India, Seattle Sunrise where my son now lives, and Belle Epoque which is the name of the hotel we stayed in Venice last year.
Angel Face is wonderful here in SoCal but it was not vigorous or hardy enough for Z6b CT. Almost everything would get denuded by BS back in CT so the answer for me was to spray at least every other week with BannerMaxx. Iceberg also gets BS but it is amazingly vigorous and way hardy enough for your zone. Its' biggest advantage here in SoCal is that it stands up to heat and dry conditions so you see it everywhere here. I think it must be the state flower of California.
Sometimes the Green Velvet boxwood that I use are available at Home Depot for $5+ dollars a gallon. My edging has perennials (in the picture becky daisies and geranium) between the boxwood and the rose. We also get 50+ inches of rain a year so that keeps everyone happy and in their place too!
eastTXmeg, the trellis are made from a piece of found scrap metal that I had a metal guy put side rails on--so not available anywhere...
Thanks Diane! We have plenty of water now - it has been raining for 3 days. Now we need some sun and warmer temps. It was supposed to be in the lower 70's today, never got past 55....I'll just wait until it blooms to start fertilizing. I have some water soluable ferts - do you think that would be ok to use - maybe 1/2 strength?
Lori
The Bayer pellets or the drench don't really do a good job on blackspot. At least not here in Georgia :) You are better off using separate products. Bayer does make a fungicide spray that works very well on black spot. You can find it in Lowes. Normally you only need to spray every 2-3 weeks, but since you already have some blackspot, you may want to do it weekly until you don't see any new spots.
Combination products are not a good idea. You wind up putting down chemicals you don't need an they aren't effective for disease. I've attached a link to what you should buy. Bayer has so many products and the bottles look similar. Make sure you get the one that just says 'Disease Control. You can use it on the roses now. Just follow the directions about avoiding skin contact.
Here is a link that might be useful: Bayer Disease Control
It's all up to how much you personally want to use fungicide. I live in Black spot hell, I've tried and just cannot possibly go through the season without using fungicide. Daconil didn't work for me, and now I only use Bayer Advanced Garden Disease Control. The nice part about Bayer is it will stop Blackspot once it has started. This way I don't have to spray until I absolutely need to. Last week I saw some Blackspot on two roses so I sprayed those two, but have not done my others that are doing fine. I just watch them closely and start them on a spray program when I see it has started. Bayer has addittional formulas that combine with fertilizer, or insecticide. I prefer to get the one soley for disease as I don't want to kill my good bugs, and I can fertilize with better fertilizer cheaper. So you may want to begin a spray for your roses that are showing blackspot now and wait on your others. Some roses are more likely to get it than others.
As others have mentioned, First Prize is a good show rose when the flowers are right. In fact, it was the top show rose in the country for 17 years and was only dethroned by Touch of Class when it got going. I have had reasonably good luck with it in the Midwest, but it is winter-tender and needs extra protection from the cold.
I was given this rose as a gift and loved it. We live in southern indiana and it was only a foot or so tall. I planted it in full sun and put my egg shells and coffee grounds on it daily but no special soil or other care. It grew within a couple years to a strong, constant producer of healthy flowers. We moved and I'm currently trying to find a replacement. I did not cover it or do anything special during cold weather. No issues with mildew.
Well, the Hampton township is now really suburban (or a resort area) because of booming tourism and overdevelopment. I have been helping a friend garden near there for over 10 years in what was not very long ago a pine-barrens area. I think they said that the deer do stay in the same area, especially the females. They are creatures of habit. Nonetheless, 3,000 is too many and they are becoming habituated to people's garden plants. Also, it is too densely populated for hunting to be very safe or effective.
Abraham Darby, Cornelia and Golden Showers are not cane hardy in zone 5. They will suffer significant dieback in most winters.
Here are a few choices I can think of off the top of my head:
John Davis- large sprawling shrub that can also be trained as a climber. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.
Therese Bugnet- Large upright vase shaped shrub that is taller than wide. Can easily grow 6-8' in height when mature and 3-4' wide. Has red canes that can add winter interest. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.
Zepherine Drouhin- Bourbon climber that will tolerate shadier locations than most roses. Is very beautiful, but typically a hot mess of blackspot and mildew or both.
John Clare- An Austin rose with next to no prickles. Prolific bloomer, little scent.
Jacques Cartier- Not prickle free, but doesn't have many. Great rose, not grown enough IMO. Good bloomer, good scent, disease resistant and very hardy.
Thanks for your posts!
Kate - I had actually looked at Mortimer Sackler but HMF and several other sources had him listed as Z6b and I'm Z5a so I didn't think he would work here. Sure is a beautiful looking rose though!
Morden Man - Disappointing to hear that about Abraham Darby and Cornelia. Does either grow vigorously enough to climb back up an 8 ft trellis in the course of a season, even with some dieback?
Out of curiosity, is it true Abe Darby is 'nearly thornless' (doesn't look it in photos I've seen, but gosh the blooms are beautiful). Also, I have the same question about Golden Celebration? Lots of thorns or dieback?
Also, do you think John Clare or Jacques Cartier could be used for a rose hedge up against my house (w/ direct western exposure)? Would one thrive better than the other in prolonged direct heat? How do they compare in terms of rebloom? Both of them looked gorgeous in the photos I pulled up. For the thorns on Jacques, would you say he's as thorny as a knockout? (Just trying to get a comparison since I think my knockouts have absolute claws, but I guess someone else could think they are fairly tame depending on the varieties they grow.)
Would Heritage or Reine des Violettes work for a reblooming rose hedge?
Thanks again for the input!
Kate, very pretty pictures of Lady of Shallot. I've heard good things, though I don't grow this rose.
DandyLioness, I am growing Carding Mill, and it's holding up very well through our crazy weather, with wild fluctuations from 40's to 90's, drought, and high winds. It's a new rose which leafed out quickly, and has been blooming nonstop. I do find the blooms to hold a chalice shape through much of their time on the bush (the blooms also last well). My one caution is the hue, which is throwing my color scheme into a tailspin. Not only can pink, apricot and peach be on the shrub all at the same time, but some of the blooms appear to change color throughout the day -- sacré bleu, I'm not kidding!
Another new rose for me is Wollerton. and it's doing just as well as CM so far. I posted a pic elsewhere yesterday, but it looks as shown on the David Austin website -- really beautiful to my eye, with lasting blooms.
Yet another option might be the creamy white Claire Austin, which is performing very well for me so far. I have the very flexible stems wrapped around a pillar, and it's been blooming nonstop, even though it's still quite small.
All of these roses are new bare roots for me, so I'm not ready to make recommendations -- I'm just reporting what I've observed so far. If you need pictures, I might be able to take some when I'm there tonight.
I don't know if there is a way to set up any shade for them, just till they perk back up? It genuinely works for roses that need to establish or reestablish their root systems.....but it's so toasty where you are the shade may not help all that much : /
Turn over some lawn chairs. Maybe drape a sheet over them.