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Unless you want to win HT Queen, hybrid teas aren't the best roses for your area. It takes skill, luck, and a mindset that enjoys replacing roses early and often. There are reasons the northeast considers HTs to be zone 7 plants. A big one being that their performance much into zone 6 isn't very good.
These are not hybrid teas in a public garden near the Hudson River in zone 6a. They were planted last spring, and the picture was taken by somebody else a couple of weeks ago. These not hybrid teas were not winter protected. They also have not been watered, and the only fertilizer is some granular stuff sprinkled around. Next year, I am probably going to have to teach people to prune because we will be into that local unknown, pruning for size.
And Diane, if you are reading this, yes, those are the Fairy Tales. The red roses in the middle are polyanthas that have been around for about 15 years, but the others are that Fairy Tale order.
Like Adrianne said, BS shouldn't stop you from enjoying these roses. I've learned to tolerate BS. It's just reality unless you want to spray. I don't spray.
In late June, I strip the leaves from the bottom of the bush to about 5" or so (as suggested by Stephen Scanniello). I also plant cranesbill or nepeta around their feet. You really can't see the BS.
Susan
Thanks seil, I only have a normal rose pruner. I tried cutting these dead canes off before I got all the new growth around it. I didn't have the proper equipment. Any suggestions for what to buy to get the fatter dead canes out? Would it hurt to wait til end of Fall when they stop producing cuz the dead ones are rightin the middle of the live--really hard to get at.
I use bigger loppers for the really heavy canes where I can. I also have a folding saw for tight spots. You need a saw that's very sturdy but narrow to get right down to the bud union. Just do the best you can. I'd cut off what you can now and then wait for late winter or early spring to really get down in there.
Thank you everyone. I'm fairly certain the bush is not diseased, it doesn't appear to be. I might try making some cuts around the base just to see what happens, if it doesn't work no harm. It is kind of difficult to see a rose decline after it has done so well, but not the end of the world and there is definitely no shortage of roses that I want to try.
I don't spray. There was a time I would use diluted sulphur, but I haven't bothered with that in 5 years or more.
There are simply too many good rose choices now that are exceptionally resistant to diseases. If any rose in my garden shows a recurring susceptibility to a specific disease, it now ends up being shovel pruned and replaced with a variety that doesn't.
Life is simply too short to grow bad roses.
That could be Seil and Michaelg. I have another type of rose bush planted in between the two Carefree Sunshines and it is blooming up a storm. I have flowers in that area but not to close that they would interfere with either CS and the flowers are growing and blooming good also.
I'll try to be patient...lol.... Thanks!
Most of the bands I've planted bloomed very well the second year so it threw me off base when these two are hardly blooming at all...
This post was edited by jim1961 on Mon, Jul 7, 14 at 17:14
MordenMan has listed most of my suggestions of mannerly Kordes FT roses - Elegant and Floral particularly. In my yard, Solero Vigorosa stays low and is a constant bloomer but you'd need a BIG pot, as she wants to grow very wide. It's probably 18" tall and 6 feet wide, and wants to be more if I'd let it.
Another option that has stayed low for me is Cream Flower Circus. It's around 2-3 feet tall and no more than the same amount wide. Seems like the light colored Kordes floris are the more mannerly sized ones.
Cynthia
Nippstress, thanks for the answer.
Elegant and Floral are actually my two favorite choices
for my deck 'pot city'. The pots are all 24 gallon which is
a large pot. Kosmos is just as pleased as punch with
this location and size of pot.
I will order this in September.
Thanks a bunch again,
andreark
Thanks seil. I remember when I "inherited" about 12 roses all together when we bought our home almost 22 years ago. Some of the 'originals' remain, and many we have planted ourselves over the years. It seemed over the years that in Wisconsin--the rose people (as I call them) would change their minds every few years on whether to bury the bud union/graft or leave it exposed or partially exposed. First it was bury completely due to our extreme winters at times, then don't bury....arghhhh. Last I heard, it was supposed to be completely buried, but I'm glad it looks okay to you--cuz as you could hopefully see by the pic--there was no way I could bury it completely without having to cut off a number of healthy canes growing from the union or trying to bury the canes too. Thanks!
I got it last year and grew it in a pot. The flowers were on the small to medium size, but they had a nice color. It actually did reasonably well in the pot. It is not what would be considered an exhibition rose for rose shows, but it does put on a good show in the yard. Below is a picture of what it did look like growing in the pot.
Maybe this will give you an idea what to expect.
Sara-ann your bouquet is beautiful! I always love seeing your rose pics. And Rosecrazy welcome to the forum and your bouquet is equally as beautiful, hope we see more pics from you! I especially love your CPM, I have a crush on her.
Beautiful blooms!!!