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As others have mentioned, First Prize is a good show rose when the flowers are right. In fact, it was the top show rose in the country for 17 years and was only dethroned by Touch of Class when it got going. I have had reasonably good luck with it in the Midwest, but it is winter-tender and needs extra protection from the cold.
I was given this rose as a gift and loved it. We live in southern indiana and it was only a foot or so tall. I planted it in full sun and put my egg shells and coffee grounds on it daily but no special soil or other care. It grew within a couple years to a strong, constant producer of healthy flowers. We moved and I'm currently trying to find a replacement. I did not cover it or do anything special during cold weather. No issues with mildew.
Well, the Hampton township is now really suburban (or a resort area) because of booming tourism and overdevelopment. I have been helping a friend garden near there for over 10 years in what was not very long ago a pine-barrens area. I think they said that the deer do stay in the same area, especially the females. They are creatures of habit. Nonetheless, 3,000 is too many and they are becoming habituated to people's garden plants. Also, it is too densely populated for hunting to be very safe or effective.
Abraham Darby, Cornelia and Golden Showers are not cane hardy in zone 5. They will suffer significant dieback in most winters.
Here are a few choices I can think of off the top of my head:
John Davis- large sprawling shrub that can also be trained as a climber. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.
Therese Bugnet- Large upright vase shaped shrub that is taller than wide. Can easily grow 6-8' in height when mature and 3-4' wide. Has red canes that can add winter interest. Will not suffer winter dieback in zone 5.
Zepherine Drouhin- Bourbon climber that will tolerate shadier locations than most roses. Is very beautiful, but typically a hot mess of blackspot and mildew or both.
John Clare- An Austin rose with next to no prickles. Prolific bloomer, little scent.
Jacques Cartier- Not prickle free, but doesn't have many. Great rose, not grown enough IMO. Good bloomer, good scent, disease resistant and very hardy.
Thanks for your posts!
Kate - I had actually looked at Mortimer Sackler but HMF and several other sources had him listed as Z6b and I'm Z5a so I didn't think he would work here. Sure is a beautiful looking rose though!
Morden Man - Disappointing to hear that about Abraham Darby and Cornelia. Does either grow vigorously enough to climb back up an 8 ft trellis in the course of a season, even with some dieback?
Out of curiosity, is it true Abe Darby is 'nearly thornless' (doesn't look it in photos I've seen, but gosh the blooms are beautiful). Also, I have the same question about Golden Celebration? Lots of thorns or dieback?
Also, do you think John Clare or Jacques Cartier could be used for a rose hedge up against my house (w/ direct western exposure)? Would one thrive better than the other in prolonged direct heat? How do they compare in terms of rebloom? Both of them looked gorgeous in the photos I pulled up. For the thorns on Jacques, would you say he's as thorny as a knockout? (Just trying to get a comparison since I think my knockouts have absolute claws, but I guess someone else could think they are fairly tame depending on the varieties they grow.)
Would Heritage or Reine des Violettes work for a reblooming rose hedge?
Thanks again for the input!
Kate, very pretty pictures of Lady of Shallot. I've heard good things, though I don't grow this rose.
DandyLioness, I am growing Carding Mill, and it's holding up very well through our crazy weather, with wild fluctuations from 40's to 90's, drought, and high winds. It's a new rose which leafed out quickly, and has been blooming nonstop. I do find the blooms to hold a chalice shape through much of their time on the bush (the blooms also last well). My one caution is the hue, which is throwing my color scheme into a tailspin. Not only can pink, apricot and peach be on the shrub all at the same time, but some of the blooms appear to change color throughout the day -- sacré bleu, I'm not kidding!
Another new rose for me is Wollerton. and it's doing just as well as CM so far. I posted a pic elsewhere yesterday, but it looks as shown on the David Austin website -- really beautiful to my eye, with lasting blooms.
Yet another option might be the creamy white Claire Austin, which is performing very well for me so far. I have the very flexible stems wrapped around a pillar, and it's been blooming nonstop, even though it's still quite small.
All of these roses are new bare roots for me, so I'm not ready to make recommendations -- I'm just reporting what I've observed so far. If you need pictures, I might be able to take some when I'm there tonight.
The West Jersey Rose Society has a few links to nurseries in the South Jersey area (scroll down to the middle of the page), you can try calling around to those vendors. Also, if you are willing to come to Monmouth County, call Sickles Market in Little Silver, they usually carry it, but I haven't seen their list this year, and I won't be able to get over there until next weekend.
Here is a link that might be useful: West Jersey Rose Society
Hi Lothlin
One of the reasons you may not have gotten many responses is that there aren't many grey roses that will survive in zone 5, much less thrive. I planted Aschermittwoch last year and it's showing no signs of life even though protected pretty well. I've grown (and killed) Grey Pearl, Lavender Pinocchio, Lila Vidri, Silver Cloud, and any number of "grey" looking roses. Haven't bothered to try Sterling Silver, as it's the wimpiest of the bunch in our zone. In general the weird colors - grey, russet, lavender - tend to be weak roses.
The closest to grey I can find on RV's website that is reliably hardy for me in zone 5 is Lagerfeld. It survived even the polar vortex reasonably well, and it's a light lavender with creamy-greyish tones. Pam's Choice by Barden is a hauntingly beautiful rose that I've tried once, and I think it'll need a protected spot in my yard. Ditto for Vol de Nuit that I'll give one more try.
Among the russets, I have been able to get Tantarra to survive with some definite babying, in my zone 6 pocket, but it's not robust by any means. Spiced Coffee, however, has been an absolute trooper and it reblooms pretty steadily in my zone 4 pocket. RV has this one in stock, and I recommend it.
Hope this helps!
Cynthia
I just planted Fragrant Cloud this year. I was looking at the first open bloom and a bud late yesterday - they are gorgeous and smell divine! It is near a Royal Sunset climber with a purple clematis on the trellis - I love the combination of the Fragrant Cloud and the peach of the Royal Sunset. There is a yellow rose blooming nearby and I really love this combination. FC might grow tall - as hybrid teas can tend to do. You might really like this rose - it has been around a long time, I would suppose for good reason. I have never grown it but the blooms are huge.......I am really liking this rose!
Judith
Thank you for all your pictures and responses! I have so many more beautiful types to consider now! (a good and a bad thing!) I definitely will be getting fragrant cloud, I just really want to smell this fragrance I have heard so much about, plus it is an incredible looking flower too, so it's like a double whammy. I'll have to find room to squeeze a couple more of these other suggestions in too.
The rose was pruned very lightly one or two years ago (when I decided to try to take care of these plants that grow in the 'garden' where I live), before that they were pruned sporadically. Very lightly because not knowing what I was doing I didn't want to damage this rose.
By the way, now the rose is blooming, i'm going to prune it after flowering.
Thanks for your help.
d.
I attach a photo to give an idea of how it looks now.
Here is a link that might be useful: A photo of a flower taken last year
I would leave it, it doesn't look that bad. As long as the canes aren't so bent that they may break. I had a large tea that was loaded with buds and we had a horrible rain storm, and it was basically laying on the driveway for a few days. But it will dry out. you can try shaking some of the water off. After it blooms, you can take out some of the larger canes so it doesn't happen again.
Rosefolly,
Ooooh, enjoy your trip. There's less rain down the south of the country, between Dublin & Cork. I'm in the NW. Here the climate is similar to the PNW back home. We've lovely summers but they can be cool.
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It's all up to how much you personally want to use fungicide. I live in Black spot hell, I've tried and just cannot possibly go through the season without using fungicide. Daconil didn't work for me, and now I only use Bayer Advanced Garden Disease Control. The nice part about Bayer is it will stop Blackspot once it has started. This way I don't have to spray until I absolutely need to. Last week I saw some Blackspot on two roses so I sprayed those two, but have not done my others that are doing fine. I just watch them closely and start them on a spray program when I see it has started. Bayer has addittional formulas that combine with fertilizer, or insecticide. I prefer to get the one soley for disease as I don't want to kill my good bugs, and I can fertilize with better fertilizer cheaper. So you may want to begin a spray for your roses that are showing blackspot now and wait on your others. Some roses are more likely to get it than others.
Thank You. I think that is good advice.