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Hi Lothlin
One of the reasons you may not have gotten many responses is that there aren't many grey roses that will survive in zone 5, much less thrive. I planted Aschermittwoch last year and it's showing no signs of life even though protected pretty well. I've grown (and killed) Grey Pearl, Lavender Pinocchio, Lila Vidri, Silver Cloud, and any number of "grey" looking roses. Haven't bothered to try Sterling Silver, as it's the wimpiest of the bunch in our zone. In general the weird colors - grey, russet, lavender - tend to be weak roses.
The closest to grey I can find on RV's website that is reliably hardy for me in zone 5 is Lagerfeld. It survived even the polar vortex reasonably well, and it's a light lavender with creamy-greyish tones. Pam's Choice by Barden is a hauntingly beautiful rose that I've tried once, and I think it'll need a protected spot in my yard. Ditto for Vol de Nuit that I'll give one more try.
Among the russets, I have been able to get Tantarra to survive with some definite babying, in my zone 6 pocket, but it's not robust by any means. Spiced Coffee, however, has been an absolute trooper and it reblooms pretty steadily in my zone 4 pocket. RV has this one in stock, and I recommend it.
Hope this helps!
Cynthia
I just planted Fragrant Cloud this year. I was looking at the first open bloom and a bud late yesterday - they are gorgeous and smell divine! It is near a Royal Sunset climber with a purple clematis on the trellis - I love the combination of the Fragrant Cloud and the peach of the Royal Sunset. There is a yellow rose blooming nearby and I really love this combination. FC might grow tall - as hybrid teas can tend to do. You might really like this rose - it has been around a long time, I would suppose for good reason. I have never grown it but the blooms are huge.......I am really liking this rose!
Judith
Thank you for all your pictures and responses! I have so many more beautiful types to consider now! (a good and a bad thing!) I definitely will be getting fragrant cloud, I just really want to smell this fragrance I have heard so much about, plus it is an incredible looking flower too, so it's like a double whammy. I'll have to find room to squeeze a couple more of these other suggestions in too.
The rose was pruned very lightly one or two years ago (when I decided to try to take care of these plants that grow in the 'garden' where I live), before that they were pruned sporadically. Very lightly because not knowing what I was doing I didn't want to damage this rose.
By the way, now the rose is blooming, i'm going to prune it after flowering.
Thanks for your help.
d.
I attach a photo to give an idea of how it looks now.
Here is a link that might be useful: A photo of a flower taken last year
I would leave it, it doesn't look that bad. As long as the canes aren't so bent that they may break. I had a large tea that was loaded with buds and we had a horrible rain storm, and it was basically laying on the driveway for a few days. But it will dry out. you can try shaking some of the water off. After it blooms, you can take out some of the larger canes so it doesn't happen again.
Rosefolly,
Ooooh, enjoy your trip. There's less rain down the south of the country, between Dublin & Cork. I'm in the NW. Here the climate is similar to the PNW back home. We've lovely summers but they can be cool.
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M
Spinosad works on the kind I have (the kind that curl up like a snake) and leaves the beneficials that don't eat the leaves, unless you kill them on contact with it perhaps. Just make sure not to spray when bees are out, and you might cut off any open blooms to be sure. It's toxic to bees until it's dried completely. If the leaf-cutter bees are active, I'd not spray it because I'm afraid it would hurt them even when dry (?).
Squishing is best, but I had so many last year that they ate ALL of the foliage eventually on certain roses, even with my daily squishing. That's just too many!
I also found this interesting. It was a response on how to rejuvenate old rose plants:
â¢Posted by cannabisgrower 5a (My Page) on Mon, Jul 21, 08 at 19:02
I wouldn't move it. What I would do in your case, is BEND very slowly some of the more flexible canes of the blanc double, over a period of a few weeks, and see if you can actually get part of a cane buried, especially an upper part that may have some active growth. If you make a wound in this actively growing part of the cane, like a diagonal cut in the region of a bud, and keep this cracked open, with gently bending pressure with your fingers, and if it is possible to bury this cracked part of the cane 3-4 inches below the soil line, it will sprout roots there. Start the cut closer to the root, and cut upwards in a shallow diagonal, about a third of the way through the cane - the best knife for this is a heavy duty utility knife like an Olfa H1. This is called layering, as opposed to "air layering" which is an adjacent thread in this propagation forum. Or if you're up to the more complicated "air layering" then go for it, as well. Next season, you will find strong new growth coming from the base, where you cracked the stem, and the basal buds will also send up nice canes. By using this method, you do not risk losing the bush due to transplant shock, you have increased the size of your stock, and you now have a young bush that you can devote your training methods. The time to cut out older branches would be in the spring, during spring pruning time, before the bush starts active growth. If you severely prune a bush during active growth, the result is a severe check on growth, which you do not want. Sativa.
Here is a link that might be useful: How to Rejuvenate old rose plants?
I have two of these plants. Both took this winter rather hard and got pruned near to the ground. Last year was hard on them because we got a snowstorm and a freeze here in May. I don't know if you got clobbered in Oklahoma or not with a late freeze, but it didn't do anything any good here.
Fragrant Plum seems to do better in cooler weather, and I can see that because it has a variety called "Blue Nile" in its parentage, that may be why it doesn't care for the heat so much. Fragrant Plum is a pretty rose, but it doesn't always bloom a lot.
The West Jersey Rose Society has a few links to nurseries in the South Jersey area (scroll down to the middle of the page), you can try calling around to those vendors. Also, if you are willing to come to Monmouth County, call Sickles Market in Little Silver, they usually carry it, but I haven't seen their list this year, and I won't be able to get over there until next weekend.
Here is a link that might be useful: West Jersey Rose Society
I just received the list from Sickles in Little Silver, and they do show Blanc Double de Coubert. Not sure if the stock is out yet, give them a call if you are inclined to come as far north as Monmouth County.