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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Andrea while you may not have any antique roses I highly suggest the forum. While it is mostly the same people a lot great information is discussed. I learn a pile from both forums.

Have a great day :)

SCG

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 4:08PM
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andreark

Kippy,

Do you have Windows 8? I do and Chrome doesn't seem to like it. But thanks anyway.

And SCG,

Thanks for the suggestion. I will look at it.

andrea

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 5:40PM
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bare rootswhat are the best places to buy bare root hybrid teas?
Posted by dmoore66(6 NorthWest NJ) October 22, 2013
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dmoore66(6 NorthWest NJ)

Diane,
What's the difference between maiden and own root?

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 3:29PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

The "maidens" are budded (grafted, on R. multiflora rootstock) bareroots, but you see the process of the budded variety growing early in the process. It is thoroughly described in the link.

As per Steve's page: A maiden is a rose that has been newly grafted. Unlike most grafted roses which are sold as #1 bushes, maidens are field grafted in summer, dug and shipped the same fall, a full year before most of the large growers harvest and ship their #1 grade roses.

Own root plants are cuttings taken from the variety and rooted, they are not grafted to another rootstock.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 4:10PM
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monben(z3/4 CO)

And finally, a couple of the bushes in part shade under evergreens have these black spots......

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 11:14AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

If it was my place, I would weed really good around the roses and wait for spring to see what happens and then document the roses as they start blooming. Kind of looks like there might be a fun rose treasure hunt out there.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 11:16AM
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jacqueline9CA

Yes. However, sometimes cuttings put out new leaves before they have made roots, so you need to leave it right where it is (including inside of the produce bag - keep the bag blown up so it makes a little greenhouse). I would wait another 2-3 months to make sure it has time to really make roots before I would take the bag off and transplant it into a one gallon pot. Since it is indoors where it is so dry in the WInter, after transplanting it into a pot, I would still leave it under some kind of cover - I use huge soda pop bottles with the tops cut off.

Then when Spring comes you can gradually take off the pop bottle, and put it outside in partial shade for a few days, and then into full sun. Keep it well watered, and wait one year before planting it in the ground - by then it will be big enough to survive.

Presuming it survives, it will make a fine rose, just as good as any other. It will be own-root, of course. Do you know what rose this cutting came from?

Jackie

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 10:37AM
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lainey2(7a)

Love at first sight.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 9:40PM
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teka2rjleffel(z10FL)

I'm jealous. Beautiful blooms with no thrips damage.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 8:12AM
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Maryl zone 7a

Man Made Global Warming? The 1975 Time Magazine had that famous (infamous) cover about Man Made Global COOLING..And as Mzstich mentioned, there is another pesky little fact about the "global" heat wave period during the middle ages that has yet to be rationalized away....There are real things to worry about. I'll not loose any sleep over this one, but you all go ahead.........Maryl

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 2:35AM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Henry...

Another alarmist title ... meh.

I guess we can plant these roses in our gardens to let us know that conditions are getting right for spider mites to be active. Kind of like a "canary in the mine". Right now, I have deVink's 'Cinderella' performing that task. If I see and incipient spider mite infestation on that rose, I know it's time to start washing my roses down to both cure the infestation on 'Cinderella' and to avoid infestations on the other roses in the garden.

Thanks for adding to the list of roses that can perform the same function.
Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 8:02AM
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racin_rose

I have been fighting spider mites!!!!
Will they destroy the tiny new growth when it first pops out from the bud-eye?

I will get some pics tomorrow in the daylight.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 12:05AM
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sadie_pnw

About rose midge - This insect is less than 1/8 of an inch long; it lays eggs on new growth and under the sepals of buds. They hatch and feed on the new growth causing it to turn brown and die. Buds don't develop. In about a week the midge falls to the ground and emerge from cocoons as adults to start the cycle all over. There won't be many blooms in a garden with midge as most of the buds will be destroyed. The first sign of a midge infestation is a tiny crisp, burnt like piece of foliage at the tip of new growth. Also, the very top leaf is usually distorted.

Here's a link to Baldo's site on rose midge with some pictures. It is an old page as it mentions diazinon as a treatment, which has been banned, but the pictures are helpful.

Oregon State Univ also has a good page with pictures and more up to date treatments-

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nurspest/rose_midge.htm

A friend of mine has rose midge; she didn't want to use a chemical control so destroyed most of her roses hoping to replant in a couple of years. the cultural controls she tried didn't work for her. Also, there have been some discussions on rose midge here as a number of people have dealt with it. If you search you can find old threads discussing it.

Disclaimer: I know the above only by reading, I've not seen it myself. I've also read pesticide burn can look like rose midge, but that's probably not a problem in your garden? Gean

Here is a link that might be useful: Baldo Villegas, rose midge pictures

    Bookmark   October 24, 2013 at 2:10AM
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Campanula UK Z8

Would suggest Purple Skyliner....but nothing like a hybrid tea.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 11:47AM
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Karolina11(6b Central PA)

Steve, thank you, that's exactly what I needed to know about the canes.

Kippy, I had not seen that one! You're right, the color matches Purple Splash perfectly. Since I can't find an HT purple maybe a Stormy Weather/Purple Splash/Stormy Weather trio would give a pleasant affect.

Thank you!

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 11:08PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Big Lots! I get a lot of my gardening stuff there because they're prices are very reasonable. The metal ones with 4 wheels work the best, I think. They last for a good 4 or 5 years before they break and need to be replaced. The wood ones are cheaper but they don't last as long and don't bother with plastic ones because they don't last for even one season before breaking. Besides they don't allow for good drainage because they hold water in them.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 6:56PM
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susan4952(5)

Wheels bow and break on my metal ones. Got some from Arizona pottery, made of heavy duty plastic. Expensive but hold up to 500 lbs. thanks, Seil. Will try big lots .
And old school, I just take a milk container bound for the recycle, with me. Snow can work too.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 8:31PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Cadence, you can read labels and look for the active ingredient potassium bicarbonate. It is sold under many names in the USA. I'm sure it is available in Canada, as it is no more hazardous than baking soda.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 2:42PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Spinosad can spot leaves...
Both of our Carefree Sunshine roses were spotted by spinosad...
Always do spot testing before applying to entire rose bush...

This post was edited by jim1961 on Wed, Oct 23, 13 at 20:15

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 8:13PM
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kentstar(5b, NE Ohio)

I have a small 10 roses. lol And that's enough for me! Plus with all the perennials, clematis, etc. On a small mobile home lot!

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 3:54PM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

Lol, Kentstar, that sounds minimalistic and quite cozy! :-)

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 5:49PM
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kingcobbtx9b

A university soil test through your extension service should be pretty dang accurate.

Nematodes and PH are definitely possible culprits. Other possibilities could be soil history if you haven't lived their long. A previous owner could have dumped something in that soil that wouldn't show up on a standard soil test. Common culprit would be thats where they parked the car when changing oil/flushing out antifreeze.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 2:47PM
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teka2rjleffel(z10FL)

My roses are grafted onto fortuniana. Though I have some old roses that do well here own root but not in this area. So nematodes shouldn't be as much of an issue. Other plants do well here in the soil with nematodes, but again not in this area. We've lived here for 14 years. This bed used to grow gorgeous roses, but not anymore. Michael good suggestion on the kitty litter.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 4:38PM
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eco_ali(Z6 NJ)

Hi View1NY, well, I cut them back hard today and buried them in a pot with a good mix of potting soil and my own organic compost. We'll see who comes back!!

Yes, I bought them on ebay from a seller named Rio0776 out of California and I was extremely impressed with the size and health of the plants when they arrived and how long they lasted during my negligence!! :(

He's out of roses for this season but I've got him saved as a favorite seller and really don't want to buy from anyone else. The rootballs were substantial and full of good soil, and the rootstock is so fat and green on his plants and the shoots had new growth right away. I'll buy again and again from him no worries.
Eco~

    Bookmark   October 22, 2013 at 7:10PM
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view1ny NY 6-7

eco, thanks for the info. I saved that ebay seller so that I'll have it handy when I make my spring order.

Have you ever ordered an own root rose from that seller? I'm in Brooklyn NY & my climate is pretty similar to yours. The roses I have are all grafted onto Dr. Huey & was thinking about trying an own-root rose next time. I'm curious about how it would do but really don't have the patience to wait years to see a decent-sized plant. Any info would be appreciated.

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 2:08PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Sulfur kills or repels bad spider mites (Two-Spotted Mite) as well. I never had a mite outbreak during the years that I used it. However, the TSMs can develop resistance to sulfur, and then you have a big problem because the sulfur suppresses the predatory mites that normally help control the TSM. This commonly occurs in agriculture--not so much in home gardens, but it is possible.

As Nicki says, potassium bicarbonate (Remedy, Green Cure) is probably a better choice for powdery mildew on roses. But sulfur is also somewhat effective against blackspot and rose rust.

    Bookmark   July 31, 2013 at 11:00AM
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gardenbug(8b)

Does anyone know where I can purchase (Green Cure) in Canada?

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 2:07PM
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eco_ali(Z6 NJ)

Hi all, I'm new here but I'm buying some late season potted roses and cant decide between some beautiful orange and multicolor ones for here in NJ. Can anyone advise on these?
My color scheme is mostly lavender/mauve, peach/pink and white with some deep pink/purple and orange accents.

Chihuly floribunda, George Burns floribunda, Easy Does It floribunda, Living Easy floribunda and Joseph's Coat climber, Polka climber...which of the 4 floribundas (cant decide between Easy Does It and Living Easy) and 2 climbers do you think I should choose?

Thanks all!

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 11:14AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Hi eco--you would probably get more responses if you started a new thread and asked your question.

Sorry I can't help you--haven't grown any of those roses. I like the ideas you are working with, however. : )

Kate

    Bookmark   October 23, 2013 at 12:46PM
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